Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-11-07 at 09:11:19
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Nov 7 2006, 09:54 AM)
Mexican crosses the border.
Mexican sees camera.
Mexican breaks camera.
Mexican: LAWLS NUT ONLI AMI ILLEGALZ BUT I COSTZ MUNEYZ TU!
Mexican signals friends to come over.
Border patrol arrives only to see that they all crossed.
Seriously, this is just a desperate attempt in favor of dumb ideals. Are you going to clean the bathrooms at your McDonald's? Are you going to go pick up the thrash rolling around with a garbage truck? Are you going to go clean the sewers? No. There are many other jobs that a vast majority of Americans wouldn't take, they'd rather be unemployed than do those jobs.
Illegal inmigrants work for very low wages, yet you complain because there are American citizens which are unemployed. Why don't you go work for a lower wage and "steal" the jobs from the Mexicans? You are unemployed anyways, so there are ZERO drawbacks, you get to do something and get a little bit of money. You can even do this while looking for a better job.
Illegal inmigrants come here for only one reason, and that is to have a better life. So many are coming because they are succesfull, they get jobs for very low wages and they don't pay taxes. All this happens because you, the American society, let them do it, and they'll keep coming in greater numbers and in higher education levels. The American economy cannot function without this. I recently read that 5.5% of Americans able to have a job are unemployed. How many illegal inmigrants you think there are working? I definetly know that it's more than that 5.5% simply because age doesn't matter, they start working once they're about 13 years old brooming floors and cleaning toilets so that you return to the place and keep buying. In essence, by using their services directly or indirectly, you are supporting them wether you like it or not.
Instead of trying to stop them from crossing the border, which is simply impossible because you CAN'T WATCH THOUSANDS OF MILES OF LAND at any given time, you'll just be spending money making the Mexicans choose a different route by which to cross. It would be much better for the economy that you take all these inmigrants and grant them citizen status, visas or at least legalize them. They'll still cross the border, they'll still work for very low wages, why not take them in? Costs very little to keep them here and they work the same amount of work for less, how can that be bad?
And for those saying that it is inmoral, illegal and such. Is it inmoral to deny someone the chance for a better life? Is it inmoral to send soldiers to Iraq for an unjust cause? Is it illegal to distribute illegal drugs, by which most of them are American citizens? Is it illegal to discriminate against any group of people? You can argue all you want, but there are far more illegal and inmoral situations caused by the people against illegal inmigrants.
It is also illogical to agrue that they are taking away the right for Americans to be equal. The government doesn't promote equality among it's citizens in the first place, it'll care far less about it's illegal inmigrants. Proof? I am an American citizen by birth, I have the age to vote, I am 18 years old, but I am not allowed to vote for the President of the United States of America. Which country that promotes equality doesn't allow a group of it's legal aged citizens to vote for for it's leader?
You need to fix your own internal problems first before you go externally.
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Mexican sees camera.
Mexican breaks camera.
Mexican: LAWLS NUT ONLI AMI ILLEGALZ BUT I COSTZ MUNEYZ TU!
Mexican signals friends to come over.
Border patrol arrives only to see that they all crossed.
Seriously, this is just a desperate attempt in favor of dumb ideals. Are you going to clean the bathrooms at your McDonald's? Are you going to go pick up the thrash rolling around with a garbage truck? Are you going to go clean the sewers? No. There are many other jobs that a vast majority of Americans wouldn't take, they'd rather be unemployed than do those jobs.
Illegal inmigrants work for very low wages, yet you complain because there are American citizens which are unemployed. Why don't you go work for a lower wage and "steal" the jobs from the Mexicans? You are unemployed anyways, so there are ZERO drawbacks, you get to do something and get a little bit of money. You can even do this while looking for a better job.
Illegal inmigrants come here for only one reason, and that is to have a better life. So many are coming because they are succesfull, they get jobs for very low wages and they don't pay taxes. All this happens because you, the American society, let them do it, and they'll keep coming in greater numbers and in higher education levels. The American economy cannot function without this. I recently read that 5.5% of Americans able to have a job are unemployed. How many illegal inmigrants you think there are working? I definetly know that it's more than that 5.5% simply because age doesn't matter, they start working once they're about 13 years old brooming floors and cleaning toilets so that you return to the place and keep buying. In essence, by using their services directly or indirectly, you are supporting them wether you like it or not.
Instead of trying to stop them from crossing the border, which is simply impossible because you CAN'T WATCH THOUSANDS OF MILES OF LAND at any given time, you'll just be spending money making the Mexicans choose a different route by which to cross. It would be much better for the economy that you take all these inmigrants and grant them citizen status, visas or at least legalize them. They'll still cross the border, they'll still work for very low wages, why not take them in? Costs very little to keep them here and they work the same amount of work for less, how can that be bad?
And for those saying that it is inmoral, illegal and such. Is it inmoral to deny someone the chance for a better life? Is it inmoral to send soldiers to Iraq for an unjust cause? Is it illegal to distribute illegal drugs, by which most of them are American citizens? Is it illegal to discriminate against any group of people? You can argue all you want, but there are far more illegal and inmoral situations caused by the people against illegal inmigrants.
It is also illogical to agrue that they are taking away the right for Americans to be equal. The government doesn't promote equality among it's citizens in the first place, it'll care far less about it's illegal inmigrants. Proof? I am an American citizen by birth, I have the age to vote, I am 18 years old, but I am not allowed to vote for the President of the United States of America. Which country that promotes equality doesn't allow a group of it's legal aged citizens to vote for for it's leader?
You need to fix your own internal problems first before you go externally.
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To add to this arguement, I'd also like to state that illegal inmigrants are not the only ones to "steal" jobs. All Puerto Ricans are American citizens by birth by the Jones Act of 1917. Some Puerto Ricans inmigrate to other parts of the country, like New York, Chicago and Florida on a majority. And guess what? They do the exact same thing as illegal inmigrants. They work for less. So to summarize it, American citizens alongside with illegal inmigrants are taking away the "White American citizen's" jobs.
You got American citizens stealing jobs and illegal inmigrants crossing the border and stealing jobs. Then you got American citizens complaining and stealing from the government by welfare. Everyone is a thief today by the standards of the majority, the white lazy american citizen that wants to work less for more pay.
NOTE: I am not saying that all white americans are like this, this arguement is just based upon the fact that the majority of the people against illegal inmigrants are of this type.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-11-07 at 09:51:03
America has always been like this and I don't think it will change. The attitude towards immigration is not founded on stealing jobs - it's based on racism and the fear of other cultures making a 'silent invasion.'
I think the fact that the makers of the site seem unaware of there being other browsers besides Internet Exploder perhaps suggests a degree of ignorance.
I think the fact that the makers of the site seem unaware of there being other browsers besides Internet Exploder perhaps suggests a degree of ignorance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2006-11-07 at 10:51:07
im torn on this... sure they are stealing our jobs but they wouldnt get them if americans wernt greety and lazy the mexicans will work for alot cheaper because its what they are used to
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-11-07 at 11:28:15
I agree with Beer_KeG. Illegal Immigrants are whats holding United States together. Atleast in New York City and New Jersey.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-11-07 at 15:04:55
I have no problem with them being here, working here, and living here (I'm glad they do). I just have a problem if they think that they should get the rights and protections by the government that are reserved for citizens. But that's not really the issue anyway, so... I guess I don't really have anything against illegal immigration.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-11-07 at 15:12:50
I live in Southern California. They're everywhere, and I have no issue with it. I don't really consider them to be "stealing our jobs" as everyone puts it because out here they mainly work as farmhands or construction workers - jobs no one generally pursues when they know they can do better.
I've actually talked to local construction companies in my area, and they love having them here because they're willing to jump on houses to tile roofs for minimum wage.
I've actually talked to local construction companies in my area, and they love having them here because they're willing to jump on houses to tile roofs for minimum wage.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-11-07 at 16:23:31
Oh, and my disagreements...
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Nov 7 2006, 09:54 AM)
It is also illogical to agrue that they are taking away the right for Americans to be equal. The government doesn't promote equality among it's citizens in the first place, it'll care far less about it's illegal inmigrants.
When did we have a right to be equal? I remember equal protection under the law and equal opportunity, but I don't remember forced conformity.QUOTE
You need to fix your own internal problems first before you go externally.
Illegal immigration IS an internal problem. If illegal immigration was an external problem... it wouldn't be immigration at all.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-11-07 at 16:34:49
Since I learned it could take 10 years to be a legal immigrant, I'm not against illegal immigration, but when they start whining about lack of rights or discrimination it just gets annoying. You got here illegally and your life is better then it was before, stop whining.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-11-07 at 18:07:53
I live in Southern California, and the most jobs I've seen taken away are the ones in fast food or supermarkets. I honestly don't mind illegal immigrants, but I guess they are a source of excuses for the insurance companies to not help you with your problems if an illegal immigrant is involved.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-11-07 at 19:00:00
QUOTE(HolySin @ Nov 7 2006, 04:07 PM)
I live in Southern California, and the most jobs I've seen taken away are the ones in fast food or supermarkets. I honestly don't mind illegal immigrants, but I guess they are a source of excuses for the insurance companies to not help you with your problems if an illegal immigrant is involved.
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Wow for a second there I thought you were quoting me. Its true, all the fast food places around my house (and since I live in Los Angeles, there are about 15 in a two mile radius around my house) have illegal immigrants working there, but not so much the supermarkets.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Camo on 2006-11-07 at 19:01:26
WHITE POWER!!1!
Just kidding, of course, I agree with the Keg on this one.
Just kidding, of course, I agree with the Keg on this one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-11-07 at 20:13:50
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When did we have a right to be equal? I remember equal protection under the law and equal opportunity, but I don't remember forced conformity.
Not conformity, but an equal chance to attain that conformity.
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Illegal immigration IS an internal problem. If illegal immigration was an external problem... it wouldn't be immigration at all.
You got a good point here, the illegal term is our point, but the inmigrants are coming illegally here for a reason. Maybe they see being illegal better than having a Visa.
Blah, yes, it's more internal than external.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-11-07 at 20:15:04
Does anybody really expect to get more than minimum wage for working at places like McDonalds? Just my opinion. It's not like they are going to get any good jobs, so who cares.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Blu on 2006-11-07 at 20:26:52
QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Nov 7 2006, 08:51 AM)
America has always been like this and I don't think it will change. The attitude towards immigration is not founded on stealing jobs - it's based on racism and the fear of other cultures making a 'silent invasion.'
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This is true. America has always been racists and afraid of the immigrants
Things need to change...Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-11-07 at 21:15:16
You support breaking the law? You support them stealing Social Security numbers? You support them getting drunk and killing people in car accidents?
They drain our economy. 1.5 Billion is sent out of the country each year. And don't give me that "Mexicans don't steal jobs" BS. My brother lost a lawn that he mowed to a Mexican.
And where the hell did this America is racist so that's why they hate the immigrants arguement come from? I dislike the people who come to America but don't want to be Americans. I'm not racist, but I don't support the illegals. I support a wall on the border.
I know the legal process takes too long, and I do agree
Am I the only one on SEN who doesn't support the illegal immigration?
They drain our economy. 1.5 Billion is sent out of the country each year. And don't give me that "Mexicans don't steal jobs" BS. My brother lost a lawn that he mowed to a Mexican.
And where the hell did this America is racist so that's why they hate the immigrants arguement come from? I dislike the people who come to America but don't want to be Americans. I'm not racist, but I don't support the illegals. I support a wall on the border.
I know the legal process takes too long, and I do agree
Am I the only one on SEN who doesn't support the illegal immigration?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PoSSeSSeDCoW on 2006-11-07 at 21:16:40
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Illegal inmigrants work for very low wages, yet you complain because there are American citizens which are unemployed. Why don't you go work for a lower wage and "steal" the jobs from the Mexicans? You are unemployed anyways, so there are ZERO drawbacks, you get to do something and get a little bit of money. You can even do this while looking for a better job.
This might work except for the fact that illegal immigrants tend to work for less than the minimum wage and to undercut them you would have to work even further under the minimum wage, which is not exactly legal.
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This is true. America has always been racists and afraid of the immigrants disgust.gif Things need to change...
The Native Americans were open to immigration and look what happened to them... they got repressed, moved to a different place, and killed. Do we really want to be like the Native Americans? [/Sarcasm]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Inspektah-Deck on 2006-11-07 at 21:24:09
QUOTE(dumbducky @ Nov 7 2006, 09:15 PM)
You support breaking the law? You support them stealing Social Security numbers? You support them getting drunk and killing people in car accidents?
They drain our economy. 1.5 Billion is sent out of the country each year. And don't give me that "Mexicans don't steal jobs" BS. My brother lost a lawn that he mowed to a Mexican.
And where the hell did this America is racist so that's why they hate the immigrants arguement come from? I dislike the people who come to America but don't want to be Americans. I'm not racist, but I don't support the illegals. I support a wall on the border.
I know the legal process takes too long, and I do agree
Am I the only one on SEN who doesn't support the illegal immigration?
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They drain our economy. 1.5 Billion is sent out of the country each year. And don't give me that "Mexicans don't steal jobs" BS. My brother lost a lawn that he mowed to a Mexican.
And where the hell did this America is racist so that's why they hate the immigrants arguement come from? I dislike the people who come to America but don't want to be Americans. I'm not racist, but I don't support the illegals. I support a wall on the border.
I know the legal process takes too long, and I do agree
Am I the only one on SEN who doesn't support the illegal immigration?
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LOL
I forgot americans dont get drunk.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-11-07 at 21:27:18
I didn't say that. But there are lots of drunken accidents involving mexicans.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-11-07 at 21:45:05
QUOTE(dumbducky @ Nov 7 2006, 09:27 PM)
I didn't say that. But there are lots of drunken accidents involving mexicans.
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Yeah, my friend almost got into a fight with this drunken mexican with a knife. I forgot about the bad sides of illegal immigrants.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by green_meklar on 2006-11-07 at 21:59:04
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You support breaking the law?
If the law does not reflect morality, and you can get away with it, then yes.
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The Native Americans were open to immigration and look what happened to them... they got repressed, moved to a different place, and killed. Do we really want to be like the Native Americans?
The native americans also had very little technology, very little resistance to many european diseases and a relatively small population. The United States has none of those. As far as I can tell, anyone who thinks that the native americans got beaten out because they were open to immigration (which many of them weren't) probably doesn't know what they're talking about. I'm glad you put that sarcasm tag in there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-11-07 at 22:05:10
QUOTE(dumbducky @ Nov 7 2006, 10:15 PM)
You support breaking the law? You support them stealing Social Security numbers? You support them getting drunk and killing people in car accidents?
They drain our economy. 1.5 Billion is sent out of the country each year. And don't give me that "Mexicans don't steal jobs" BS. My brother lost a lawn that he mowed to a Mexican.
And where the hell did this America is racist so that's why they hate the immigrants arguement come from? I dislike the people who come to America but don't want to be Americans. I'm not racist, but I don't support the illegals. I support a wall on the border.
I know the legal process takes too long, and I do agree
Am I the only one on SEN who doesn't support the illegal immigration?
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They drain our economy. 1.5 Billion is sent out of the country each year. And don't give me that "Mexicans don't steal jobs" BS. My brother lost a lawn that he mowed to a Mexican.
And where the hell did this America is racist so that's why they hate the immigrants arguement come from? I dislike the people who come to America but don't want to be Americans. I'm not racist, but I don't support the illegals. I support a wall on the border.
I know the legal process takes too long, and I do agree
Am I the only one on SEN who doesn't support the illegal immigration?
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Not breaking the law, but allowing them to come here and get legal status. They can't steal our Social Security numbers because they aren't citizens and besides, Social Security is going down the drain anyways, statistics show that by the time we retire, we won't be recieving anything that will maintain us. Also, most illegal inmigrants don't have cars, they cost far too much, but I can assure you that a large percentage of drunk driving accident are caused by citizens about our age.
The country may spend 1.5 Billion on inmigrants, but a several hundred million would be gained from legalizing them and getting taxes.
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This might work except for the fact that illegal immigrants tend to work for less than the minimum wage and to undercut them you would have to work even further under the minimum wage, which is not exactly legal.
Then the problem would be cause by American bussiness men that pay them in the first place.
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Yeah, my friend almost got into a fight with this drunken mexican with a knife. I forgot about the bad sides of illegal immigrants.
I know this is mostly a stereotypical response, but what about black people? You'd get shot on the spot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-11-07 at 22:44:17
Whereas whitey would sue you afterwards.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Blu on 2006-11-08 at 11:29:30
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Yeah, my friend almost got into a fight with this drunken mexican with a knife. I forgot about the bad sides of illegal immigrants.
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This doesn't only come from illegal immigrants..they arent the only ppl that drink and cause the accidents. It's all the ppl that drink, all the ppl that cant control their urges, and its all the ppl that cant control themselves while their drunk...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-11-08 at 17:58:57
Exactly.
Drunkedness doesn't appeal to one group more than the other, it is basd upon a more individual basis.
Drunkedness doesn't appeal to one group more than the other, it is basd upon a more individual basis.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-11-08 at 18:14:02
I never said that all mexicans drank. I'm just stating some troubles that they make.