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Report, edit, etc...Posted by SubFocus on 2006-11-22 at 00:38:45
I've noticed that there are people who can recgonize the notes played in melodies of songs that they didn't right. As in you could listen to the chorus of a song and know what notes are being played. How is this acheived? How can I train my ears/brain to do the same? It would be very helpful to me as a becoming composer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-11-22 at 00:56:02
Well I can't do it for every note, I can recognize every time an A key is played. I began doing this when I found that the lowest I could sing was an A note, then I just was able to gauge myself from their. My guess is that you would have to train yourself to do all of them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-11-22 at 08:57:14
I'm not sure how people can do it. I can do it in a pretty primitive form, that is to say I can but it takes me a while to figure out what notes are being played. I'm glad I can do that much, though, since I do play piano. I'm better at juding intervals than actual notes. But unless I'm wrong, it's something you're born with and can't learn.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-11-22 at 16:44:44
You can learn it, it's just much harder to do it as you get older.
What you're talking about when you mean judging notes by intervals is called relative pitch.
Being able to pick out notes right away is known as perfect or Absolute Pitch
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SubFocus on 2006-11-22 at 18:18:52
I'm pretty sure you can learn it... It really helps if you learn to play an instrument, or so I've heard.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-11-25 at 02:42:04
Well, unless you're exposed to notes and actually know what they are, you can't really learn. Playing an instrument obviously provides both of those.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-11-25 at 02:59:09
Well, you can train yourself, like find notes on the internet and play them until you recognize them in a second. Luckily, my mind instantly relates a note to a color, so it's pretty easy for me to know what key is played such as the song, Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd. I first imagined light green (G), red ©, yellow (D), and dark green (A); then I later found out that these were they keys used.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Hofodomo on 2006-12-03 at 13:42:04
Actually, you also need a lot of practice to be really efficient at it. I've been at it for years, so it's a piece of cake for me.

But not so when I just started, ja?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-12-03 at 13:45:08
You can learn relative pitch easily (or so I've heard) by learning certain patterns between notes by memorizing certain well known music.
Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ear_training

As for absolute pitch.. you wouldn't be able to develop them unless you've had intensive years of music training and instrument playing. I know people who practice for hours every day and still don't have it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-12-04 at 02:23:53
QUOTE(SubFocus @ Nov 22 2006, 03:18 PM)
I'm pretty sure you can learn it... It really helps if you learn to play an instrument, or so I've heard.
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QUOTE(CheeZe @ Dec 3 2006, 10:45 AM)
As for absolute pitch.. you wouldn't be able to develop them unless you've had intensive years of music training and instrument playing. I know people who practice for hours every day and still don't have it.
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It helps if you do chorus, since you can general pick a note and sing it, to compare with a played song.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShizTheresABear on 2006-12-04 at 02:30:23
There's perfect pitch and relative pitch.

You're either born with perfect pitch or not. Sorry.

BUT you can TRY to get perfect pitch, but that's actually called relative pitch. It's good enough.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Hofodomo on 2006-12-04 at 17:46:07
Relative pitch is just, let's say, you can sing a melody no matter what key you're in...

Or somebody gives you a 'Do', and you can spit back a 'La' regardless of what the actual note is.

Kinda like transposing in your head. Except you're not really transposing...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SubFocus on 2006-12-11 at 02:18:33
So then... How does one develop relative pitch?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-12-11 at 20:27:56
Do you play an instrument?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-12-11 at 21:42:08
I did five musicals over four years, joined my school's chorus, and took up piano. That seemed to work. wink.gif
Singing really helped, as did playing the piano... you have to know what the notes are as you're hearing/producing them in order to get anywhere, in my opinion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cnl.Fatso on 2006-12-11 at 22:47:39
It's gotten to the point, for me, where I have a few hours worth of video game music stored in my brain with nary a sheet of paper used.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-12-13 at 23:06:49
And... does that give you the ability to recognize notes?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cnl.Fatso on 2006-12-14 at 00:29:44
Well, it's all learned by ear, so yes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShizTheresABear on 2006-12-14 at 01:06:03
Unless you have perfect pitch or you have relative pitch, then it's hard to know video game melodies' notes by heart (you might know the general idea of it, but it's probably off a few steps).

To get relative pitch.. the best way is to play a musical instrument.. or sing in a choir or something; that'll definitely get you relative pitch.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Corbo(MM) on 2006-12-14 at 01:20:37
It's all done by ear, There's not really a "theory" to learn.
My point, It helps when you play a musical instrument because you know the actual sound of a note, it really helps if you play Piano because It doesn't Detune like guitar does.
When you sing in a chorus you can get to know when a note is higher or lower depending on how you hear the othe voices or instruments but you don't know what not it is for real unlikely playing a musical instrument.
For me, it's actually hard to hear the notes at the first time I usually have to find the first note of the voice and then I find the rest of the notes of the voice, after that it's easier to find the main notes (usually chords in guitar)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-12-14 at 16:57:08
QUOTE(Cnl.Fatso @ Dec 11 2006, 11:47 PM)
It's gotten to the point, for me, where I have a few hours worth of video game music stored in my brain with nary a sheet of paper used.

So, let me get this straight. If I said "hum an A flat", or played a scale and said "pick out the D sharp", you could do that? I don't think you could identify notes by name after any amount of time just by listening to music. I don't know how you would figure out which note was the A flat or D sharp unless someone or something told you. Note values don't exist in nature, they are man-made. There's a massive difference between storing hours of music in your brain and being able to identify the notes used in it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by www.com.au on 2006-12-14 at 22:44:40
Listening to alot of music can certainly help though, because as soon as you find out the scales from G through A you can identify changes alot easier because you've heard it so many times. Although you are still very right in my opinion that there is a difference between being interested and being educated..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-12-14 at 22:55:57
At best by listening to a lot of music you would recognize those notes as "this note" and "that note" but not "A sharp" or "B". You can't just listen to a note 5000 times and be able to identify it by letter without someone or something defining the corresponding letter.
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