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Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2006-11-23 at 21:28:11
Dreams have always been fascinating to me and I've read a lot of articles about dreams. One topic about dreams that is particularly fascinating to me is lucid dreaming. You can find some information about lucid dreaming here if you don't know what it is. I have had three lucid dreams in my life, all within the past six months, I believe. My question is, who else experiences this and what level of control do you have in these dreams?

I've had different levels of control in these dreams. My control has increased little by little in each dream.

The first one I had I realized half-way through the dream that I was dreaming, but I couldn't really affect what was going on, I just knew I was dreaming, which I can best describe as being part of a movie that you're watching. This was a pretty happy dream, I ended up going out with this girl that I had a crush on for a while, tongue.gif I'm a nerd.

In the second lucid dream I knew I was dreaming, and I could affect things in a regular life kind of way. I tried to fly, but failed. The dream also went downhill when I was in a bar and some guy started attacking me lol. When this began to happen I became frightened and tried to make myself wake up, which I didn't succeed at.

In the latest dream I was able to control what I did as well as what some other people did. I ended up having sex with the hottest girl in my school, pretty awesome stuff.

I'm hoping that in the next lucid dream I'll be able to do supernatural things such as fly. Any thoughts on this?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-23 at 21:32:30
Yes, I have these types of dreams. I have them about my old girlfriend coming back to Maine. She moved to Flordia a long time ago. I noticed when I saw that it was in a place that I had no idea what it was, I think it was supposed to be my school. However I knew that I was dreaming while I was in it, which when I woke up upset me! Yes, I had some control. Not sure exactly what you mean by control but ya, I was able to tell myself where I was walking and such.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-11-23 at 21:35:23
It's been a long time since I had lucid dreams. It's been a couple years since I could remember any of my dreams at all, for that matter. I remember that when I was younger, I'd often have extrememly lucid dreams, to the point at which I'd realize that it was a dream and try to wake myself up from it. But it's been a while, and the last time I had lucid dreams was a few years ago, during a period of--shall we say, emotional stress. I'm actually glad of it, since I feel more rested when I don't have dreams.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2006-11-23 at 21:40:32
I enjoy the lucid dreams, it gives me a chance to get outside of my normal life and experience new things. It's like an adventure that I'm always pissed when I'm awoken from tongue.gif.

7-7, by control I mean how much you can affect what is going on around you, for example can you control yourself at all or is it more like experiencing things that someone else is doing?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-23 at 21:41:10
Have you ever had the dreams where you have the same one over and over again. Like you'll have this dream, then later you will go through the same everything, and you remember that you have had it.

Also have you ever felt like you have seen that exact picture you are looking at. Say in a place where you know you have never been before but feel like you have looked at this place in the same angle and everything. I think it has something to do with dreams. Like one time I went to Massachussettes and I went to a place where I know I havent been before and felt like I saw that same image in my head before. Any thoughts?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-11-23 at 21:41:54
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=29355

Then again, it's been a long time since I posted that topic, so I can update my story. A few days before I made that topic I started keeping a diary of everything I could remember from my dreams, making a special note of (LUCID) or (NON-LUCID) at the start of every entry.

The following are excerpts of lucidity...

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Wednesday May 17, 2006 -- (LUCID ?)
2, bonus dream (assuming this when a dream)
-Was in my room with some marijuana that [removed] had given to me. It wasn't smoking form though, it was a rectangular plastic wrapped block which I had to eat. Don't remember unwrapping it, but I ate it out of curiousity. Now, I've never done it, so I wouldn't know what it feels like. Perhaps this was realistic for such a concentrated dose, or I woke up into sleep paralysis.
-First, a giant burning sensation started. The next thing I knew I was lying face up on my bed (perhaps the position I was sleeping in) I may have been unable to move anything but my eyes, but I didn't try to move anything but my eyes. Being high (or in SP) was way too much for me, so I was just chilling out. The burning sensation was going through my whole body and it was slightly painful. As I moved my eyes everything seemed to jump out at me and vision was overwhelming. Colors seemed to yell at me and attack, very powerful. The room was brighter than it should have been (evidence this was still a dream)

I was unable to determine whether or not this classifies as a lucid dream or sleep paralysis, hence the question mark. I did not really exert any control over the dream, at best I was just completely and fully aware of what was going on.

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 -- (LUCID)
// This was some early AM sleep after church, 8:30 AM
-Reached a point where I just knew I was in sleep paralysis, since I knew what it was I wasn't afraid or jumpy. I started imagining stuff and it happened. I had Cheat on the Church by Graveyard BBQ from Guitar Hero stuck in my head, so I made a guitar player appear, then eventually a whole band. For some reason, the background I got was outside [removed]. The guitar player looked like Mr. [removed]. When the concert was going, I was happy so I let go.

This was the first lucid dream where I exerted control. I'm not sure if I fully realized I was in a dream or merely got lost in it later... but I did exert control over the dream.

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Wednesday, November 8, 2006
Later on during the day, I took a nap... (LUCID)
-I knew I was in sleep paralysis. I tried to open my dream eyes, to see something, to make something appear. I ended up opening my own real life eyes.

Again, I was in a stage of sleep but could seize no control. This is likely because I never passed all the way into the REM sleep. I was most likely in an earlier NREM stage and sleep paralysis (I could feel my real life limbs and tried to move them, but couldn't).

Over the course of time, I picked up on two key things...
* At first, for some reason, sleep paralysis seriously creeped me out. It doesn't really scare me as much anymore. After I read about lucid dreams, I paniced out of my first one.
* Some people are able to use written or printed text for reality checks. This does not hold true for me. This is not to discount jumbled garbage text (ie, a digital clock displaying strange symbols). Rather that if there's a page of text that I look at, look away, and look back, it will remain the same for me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by green_meklar on 2006-11-23 at 22:00:25
I've had a few lucid dreams during my life, but unfortunately in most of them I woke up almost immediately after realizing I was dreaming, so soon that it almost seems lucidity was an effect of starting to wake up. Hopefully someday I'll find a technique that works for me more consistently than random chance, and which also lets me stay in my dreams longer and have more fun. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-11-23 at 22:53:48
When I was 15, I too went through months of lucid dreaming. I dunno why, but it sucked because I was always tired, and like you said, I always woke up as the dreams got good. I don't remember most of them, but many of them had to do with fighting and girls I liked. But I really didn't like the whole experience, because they usually seem like dreams where you know you're dreaming, but you can't wake up when you want to.

I had one a few weeks ago though that was pretty scary. I'm usually pretty hard on drug users, and I guess I sorta took some kind of air of superiority over them. But in this dream I was back in high school, and I was so sleepy I didn't think I could take a test, and one of my best friends offered me these pills to wake me up. They did the trick. I didn't know what they were, but after that class I was randomly selected for a drug test.

It was terrifying because I've always been a good student and it seems like the one time I take a small short cut, I get taken down, while other kids that do drugs all the time continued to get away with it. In the dream I was trying to think up various excuses to either explain what I did, or excuses to try and get out of it, and I even considered escaping through the bathroom window, but I knew that would make me look really guilty. Not alot of action in the dream, but it was full of terrifying "Why me?" and "What am I gonna do now?" kinds of thoughts as I waited for the test to take place. And it seemed so REAL.

I woke up right before the drug test and when I sat up in bed, I was actually wondering if I'd somehow blacked out or something before the test. It took me a minute to figure out it was a dream. My heart was about to jump out of my chest. Although I still don't approve of the behavior, I can't imagine what it must be like for kids who are otherwise smart to get busted and lose it all.

Lucid dreams can be very scary and fun.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2006-11-24 at 00:00:40
QUOTE(Mp)7-7 @ Nov 23 2006, 09:41 PM)
Have you ever had the dreams where you have the same one over and over again.  Like you'll have this dream, then later you will go through the same everything, and you remember that you have had it.

Also have you ever felt like you have seen that exact picture you are looking at.  Say in a place where you know you have never been before but feel like you have looked at this place in the same angle and everything.  I think it has something to do with dreams.  Like one time I went to Massachussettes and I went to a place where I know I havent been before and felt like I saw that same image in my head before.  Any thoughts?
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I think I've had 2-3 recurring dreams, although I only had them twice. The only one I can clearly remember those was a dream where I was Mario in a Mario game and there were all sorts of crazy levels, it was pretty fun until I got chased by some giant bee that I had to keep running in circles to get away from.

I've had this sort of feeling before, I didn't know why something (or someone) seemed familiar to me, but they did. I believe dreams may have something to do with it as well.


QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Nov 23 2006, 09:41 PM)
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=29355

Then again, it's been a long time since I posted that topic, so I can update my story. A few days before I made that topic I started keeping a diary of everything I could remember from my dreams, making a special note of (LUCID) or (NON-LUCID) at the start of every entry.

The following are excerpts of lucidity...
I was unable to determine whether or not this classifies as a lucid dream or sleep paralysis, hence the question mark. I did not really exert any control over the dream, at best I was just completely and fully aware of what was going on.
This was the first lucid dream where I exerted control. I'm not sure if I fully realized I was in a dream or merely got lost in it later... but I did exert control over the dream.
Again, I was in a stage of sleep but could seize no control. This is likely because I never passed all the way into the REM sleep. I was most likely in an earlier NREM stage and sleep paralysis (I could feel my real life limbs and tried to move them, but couldn't).

Over the course of time, I picked up on two key things...
* At first, for some reason, sleep paralysis seriously creeped me out. It doesn't really scare me as much anymore. After I read about lucid dreams, I paniced out of my first one.
* Some people are able to use written or printed text for reality checks. This does not hold true for me. This is not to discount jumbled garbage text (ie, a digital clock displaying strange symbols). Rather that if there's a page of text that I look at, look away, and look back, it will remain the same for me.
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This is great, I've been considering making a dream journal for a while now, but always figured hey what if someone reads it? That'd be kinda strange. Something to note, lucidity and control are not synonymous.

QUOTE(Article About Lucid Dreaming)
Lucidity is not synonymous with dream control. It is possible to be lucid and have little control over dream content, and conversely, to have a great deal of control without being explicitly aware that you are dreaming. However, becoming lucid in a dream is likely to increase the extent to which you can deliberately influence the course of events. Once lucid, dreamers usually choose to do something permitted only by the extraordinary freedom of the dream state, such as flying.


QUOTE(green_meklar @ Nov 23 2006, 10:00 PM)
I've had a few lucid dreams during my life, but unfortunately in most of them I woke up almost immediately after realizing I was dreaming, so soon that it almost seems lucidity was an effect of starting to wake up. Hopefully someday I'll find a technique that works for me more consistently than random chance, and which also lets me stay in my dreams longer and have more fun. smile.gif
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I read somewhere that if when you reach lucidity in a dream and you start to wake up one tactic to try to stay asleep is to try to curl into yourself and make the world spin around you. I've attempted this once before when I realized I was waking up and it kept me from waking up which was pleasing to me.

QUOTE(Doodan @ Nov 23 2006, 10:53 PM)
When I was 15, I too went through months of lucid dreaming. I dunno why, but it sucked because I was always tired, and like you said, I always woke up as the dreams got good. I don't remember most of them, but many of them had to do with fighting and girls I liked. But I really didn't like the whole experience, because they usually seem like dreams where you know you're dreaming, but you can't wake up when you want to.

I had one a few weeks ago though that was pretty scary. I'm usually pretty hard on drug users, and I guess I sorta took some kind of air of superiority over them. But in this dream I was back in high school, and I was so sleepy I didn't think I could take a test, and one of my best friends offered me these pills to wake me up. They did the trick. I didn't know what they were, but after that class I was randomly selected for a drug test.

It was terrifying because I've always been a good student and it seems like the one time I take a small short cut, I get taken down, while other kids that do drugs all the time continued to get away with it. In the dream I was trying to think up various excuses to either explain what I did, or excuses to try and get out of it, and I even considered escaping through the bathroom window, but I knew that would make me look really guilty. Not alot of action in the dream, but it was full of terrifying "Why me?" and "What am I gonna do now?" kinds of thoughts as I waited for the test to take place. And it seemed so REAL.

I woke up right before the drug test and when I sat up in bed, I was actually wondering if I'd somehow blacked out or something before the test. It took me a minute to figure out it was a dream. My heart was about to jump out of my chest. Although I still don't approve of the behavior, I can't imagine what it must be like for kids who are otherwise smart to get busted and lose it all.

Lucid dreams can be very scary and fun.
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I agree lucid dreams can be quite scary and quite fun. I believe the scariness comes from a sort of different realness of it since you're more in control of yourself. Your dream sounds like it could've been fairly stressful tongue.gif. In regards to all the tiredness you experienced I believe that was mainly because you were growing so you didn't have tons of energy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-11-24 at 00:27:42
Ive been having many lucid dream lately. I dont think its good because when I wake up, I think it really happened so I have to think for like 1 minute to know its a dream. Sure, its a good thing, but I think it kind of spoils you and one day, you might blab something out to the person you had the dream about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PoSSeSSeDCoW on 2006-11-24 at 00:29:53
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I think I've had 2-3 recurring dreams, although I only had them twice. The only one I can clearly remember those was a dream where I was Mario in a Mario game and there were all sorts of crazy levels, it was pretty fun until I got chased by some giant bee that I had to keep running in circles to get away from.

I've had this sort of feeling before, I didn't know why something (or someone) seemed familiar to me, but they did. I believe dreams may have something to do with it as well.


I've thought that I had a dream more than once; however, I realized later that I was merely dreaming that I had the dream before.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2006-11-24 at 00:36:29
QUOTE(EcHo @ Nov 24 2006, 12:27 AM)
Ive been having many lucid dream lately. I dont think its good because when I wake up, I think it really happened so I have to think for like 1 minute to know its a dream. Sure, its a good thing, but I think it kind of spoils you and one day, you might blab something out to the person you had the dream about.
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So every time you have a lucid dream you have sex with someone? Honestly I prefer trying other things. I feel that lucid dreaming is an excellent resource for many things.

QUOTE(PoSSeSSeDCoW @ Nov 24 2006, 12:29 AM)
I've thought that I had a dream more than once; however, I realized later that I was merely dreaming that I had the dream before.
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This may actually be what the situation was with my dreams, because sometimes I think hey didn't I have that dream before? And I think, yeah I did, but I can't remember when it happened. It's always been like it happened in some time that was non-existent, but it was there.. Hard to describe mellow.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Zero.oO on 2006-11-24 at 00:55:01
I have a bunch of dreams that I had years ago that I can remember, and heres the two lucid dreams I can remember.

I was somehow in Mario World and I was killing a bunch of monsters and being chased, but once when I tried to do a mario jump it wouldnt work so I ran. I went to the hill near my house and I saw this ghost figure with a pole and a chain he tyed me to the chain and swung my around the pole. I somehow got off realized it was a dream went back to the monster ghost and told him "I'm not scared of you this is a dream" then he killed me.

I was was moving in real life and I was imagining my new town and I imagined it all these plain houses with weird streets(which its like). I rode around my bike noone was around then I heard a rumble and saw this huge nuclear explosion going off in the distance. It was one of those dreams were you could feel your body shaking because of the explosion. I realized it was a dream then and then heard my alarm clock in the dream and woke up a second later.

Theres always those horror dreams were your not shure if its a dream or real life and your afriad to get up to go to the bathroom because a monsters waiting. I hate those ones.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2006-11-24 at 01:03:18
QUOTE(Oo.Zero.oO @ Nov 24 2006, 12:55 AM)
I have a bunch of dreams that I had years ago that I can remember, and heres the two lucid dreams I can remember.

I was somehow in Mario World and I was killing a bunch of monsters and being chased, but once when I tried to do a mario jump it wouldnt work so I ran. I went to the hill near my house and I saw this ghost figure with a pole and a chain he tyed me to the chain and swung my around the pole. I somehow got off realized it was a dream went back to the monster ghost and told him "I'm not scared of you this is a dream" then he killed me.

I was was moving in real life and I was imagining my new town and I imagined it all these plain houses with weird streets(which its like). I rode around my bike noone was around then I heard a rumble and saw this huge nuclear explosion going off in the distance. It was one of those dreams were you could feel your body shaking because of the explosion. I realized it was a dream then and then heard my alarm clock in the dream and woke up a second later.

Theres always those horror dreams were your not shure if its a dream or real life and your afriad to get up to go to the bathroom because a monsters waiting. I hate those ones.
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Mario World appears to be a popular dream land tongue.gif. Anyway, I believe that the reason the ghost killed you when you said "I'm not scared of you this is a dream," was because you actually still had fear about it, from what I've read when you confront a fear and you actually stop fearing it, it turns into something else that is harmless, such as a friend, a sexy woman, or an empty shell.

QUOTE(Article About Lucid Dreaming)
Unfortunately for many people, instead of providing an outlet for unlimited fantasy and delight, dreams can be dreaded episodes of limitless terror. As is discussed in the books  Lucid Dreaming (LaBerge, 1985) and  Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming (EWLD) (LaBerge & Rheingold, 1990), lucid dreaming may well be the basis of the most effective therapy for nightmares. If you know you are dreaming, it is a simple logical step to realizing that nothing in your current experience, however unpleasant, can cause you physical harm. There is no need to run from or fight with dream monsters. In fact, it is often pointless to try, because the horror pursuing you was conceived in your own mind, and as long as you continue to fear it, it can pursue you wherever you dream yourself to be. The only way to really "escape" is to end your fear. (For a discussion of reasons for recurrent nightmares, see  Overcoming Nightmares from  EWLD.) The fear you feel in a nightmare is completely real; it is the danger that is not.

Unreasonable fear can be defused by facing up to the source, or going through with the frightening activity, so that you observe that no harm comes to you. In a nightmare, this act of courage can take any form that involves facing the "threat" rather than avoiding it. For example, one young man dreamt of being pursued by a lion. When he had no place left to run, he realized he was dreaming and called to the lion to "come and get him." The challenge turned into a playful wrestling match, and the lion became a sexy woman (NightLight 1.4, 1989, p. 13). Monsters often transform into benign creatures, friends, or empty shells when courageously confronted in lucid dreams. This is an extremely empowering experience. It teaches you in a very visceral manner that you can conquer fear and thereby become stronger.


In reference to your second dream, I've had a dream like that before, it's sort of eerie mellow.gif. I think part of the reason for waking up when you realize something is a dream is that you just want to get out of it. Not sure tongue.gif.

As for fearing whether something is real or not I always just reason with myself, often with negative reenforcement tongue.gif. "There's no such thing as monsters, dumb ass!"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-11-24 at 01:40:20
It's a shame I don't really know how it feels like to be in a lucid dream... I probably had one, I just don't know it... would I know it..? You guys seem to get a lot :\ Sort of makes me want to have one ;D

So right now I have no clue whether or not I've had a lucid dream or not... but they sound awesome tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2006-11-24 at 01:47:08
QUOTE(Deathawk @ Nov 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
It's a shame I don't really know how it feels like to be in a lucid dream... I probably had one, I just don't know it... would I know it..? You guys seem to get a lot :\ Sort of makes me want to have one ;D

So right now I have no clue whether or not I've had a lucid dream or not... but they sound awesome tongue.gif
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You most likely haven't if you don't know, they are very recognizable. It's an amazing feeling, the first time I experienced it I was like "WHOA THIS IS AWESOME!!" Some people don't naturally have lucid dreams (I'm among them) and have to sort of train themselves to have them. Refer to the first post for more information about this, I can almost guarantee you'd love having a lucid dream.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Eskimo Bob on 2006-11-24 at 03:51:58
I never have lucid dreams. i dont remember any dreams. I remember like 3 really well, im sure i've remembered more but still...

That third dream of yours sounded cool other happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-24 at 04:50:38
QUOTE(Other @ Nov 23 2006, 09:28 PM)

In the latest dream I was able to control what I did as well as what some other people did.  I ended up having sex with the hottest girl in my school, pretty awesome stuff.

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Haha, I still cant get over that. How hot was she? Rate it from a 1 - 10, 10 being uber awesome. I hope I get a dream like that tonight. Shhh, dont tell my girlfriend. pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2006-11-24 at 12:15:01
I'd say she was a 10, she is Über sexy. I've been dreaming (as in wanting to) of having sex with her ever since I saw her in 7th grade. The only problem was when I ended up having sex with her I was really tired and I couldn't do much movement and I never ended up getting off.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-11-24 at 12:45:55
Wait. Isnt that called wet dream? Wet dream is when you have these sexual dreams and when you wake up, you ejaculated in real life while you were sleeping. Those are some bad experiences :/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-24 at 13:43:46
I think he meant in the dream he was tired and never got off. It would be pretty wierd to have a dream like this to it become a wet dream. blink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2006-11-24 at 14:31:32
QUOTE(EcHo @ Nov 24 2006, 12:45 PM)
Wait. Isnt that called wet dream? Wet dream is when you have these sexual dreams and when you wake up, you ejaculated in real life while you were sleeping. Those are some bad experiences :/
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Well, I think wet dreams aren't lucid, not sure though. Also mine wasn't one because I never ended up getting off because I was too tired to do anything. Pretty strange experience.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-11-24 at 15:11:01
I dont understand what you are saying. Were you tired in the dream, or tired in real life. In real life this would make sence because you were sleeping, but why would this affect your dream. And why would you be tired in your dream?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-11-24 at 15:58:22
QUOTE(Mp)7-7 @ Nov 24 2006, 03:11 PM)
I dont understand what you are saying.  Were you tired in the dream, or tired in real life.  In real life this would make sence because you were sleeping, but why would this affect your dream.  And why would you be tired in your dream?
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Who are you replying too?
Anyways, thats common sense. Its obvious a person would be tired in real life when they wake up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-11-24 at 16:11:36
I've had dreams in which I dreamed that the current dream was a reoccurring dream. As in, inside the dream I know it's a dream and know it's familiar but when I wake up I know I didn't have that dream before.
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