Uh...what I don't get is, why would the fact that the end of the baktun cycle and the position of the Sun coincide mean anything more than that? Why would they suddenly cause the world to end? I have yet to see anything even remotely close to a reason why the end of a cycle in the mayan calendar would mark the end of the world.
Besides, there's another interesting fact that most people don't consider. The baktun cycle is
not the largest cycle in the mayan calendar, it was merely written that way because the digit one up from that had never been changed (not enough time had passed). In this way it was something like how our dates are sometimes abbreviated to two digits rather than four. Judging from this, it seems that the world ending on 21/12/2012 simply due to numerological reasons is about as likely as the world ending on 1/1/2000 or 6/6/2006 for the same reasons- and a lot
less likely than all the computers messing themselves up in 2000 (and even that didn't happen). You can read more about the mayan calendar cycles
here.
Anyway, the burden of proof is on the positive claim. Given the above, I'm now waiting for anyone to provide reasonable evidence of a force that will predictably end the world on December 21, 2012. I highly doubt anyone will.
No human can predict the end of the world. It is impossible! Let me say it again No human can predict the end of the world.
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No human can predict the end of the world. It is impossible! Let me say it again No human can predict the end of the world.
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Well that is somewhat true, but the matter of luck is also involved and chance. Like if I predicted that tomorrow the world would end, and it didn't then whatever right, Then I could say the day after that the world would end, and keep saying it on and on until it finally did happen (if it happens in your lifetime) anyways, there could always be a very slight chance that someone could predict it right, but it's very slim, so I don't think we have to worry about it... (i hope)
Many other ancient calendars have reached their end at the world is still here.
Well Terence McKenna's "Timewave Zero" also occurs on December 21, 2012. This is one of the most unique end dates because it wasn't expected to land on the same date.
Lets come to a conclusion. Atleast someone says the world gonna end this year, for EVERY year since I was born. It hasn't ended. Iam sorry, but this topic is a NO.
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No human can predict the end of the world. It is impossible! Let me say it again No human can predict the end of the world
And why not?
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Well Terence McKenna's "Timewave Zero" also occurs on December 21, 2012. This is one of the most unique end dates because it wasn't expected to land on the same date.
Luckily for us, the Timewave Zero thing has no basis in scientific fact and is therefore almost certainly BS.
well when the world ends it ends. and we will be all dead or something.......
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Luckily for us, the Timewave Zero thing has no basis in scientific fact and is therefore almost certainly BS.
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You should have seen my reaction when I heard it.
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You should have seen my reaction when I heard it.
Why?
Well, I patiently listened and read up on it, and when I was done, I was just pissed off by the stupiditiy of the theory.
Why do I have to wait for so long to die. Dammit.
Remember when they said Planet X would crash into Earth at like 2003?
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Why do I have to wait for so long to die. Dammit.
I'll help you out.
I don't think any of these ancient calenders really are telling us that the end of the world is in this time or whatever I just think the end of the world is just going to happen in 10 years, 100 years, maybe 1,000,000,000...you never know...thats just my opinion...
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And why not?
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And lets see.
Many people have made predictions like nustrodomus or Charles Taze Russell. Though predicting the end they did. It never came. If humans could figure out the end of the world then why haven't we. Because its impossible.
No they just got lazy aswell as other ancient people the end of the world will be 2099 cuz thats when my computer calander stops
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I don't think any of these ancient calenders really are telling us that the end of the world is in this time or whatever I just think the end of the world is just going to happen in 10 years, 100 years, maybe 1,000,000,000...you never know...thats just my opinion...
Amen. Let's piss on the beliefs of many ancient people who were technologically primitive and only watched the sky!
Although, if it's true, there's only one possible explanation. Time travel. Or aliens. Or something else stupid.
That is the year the Mayan civilization will die out...
As sure as I am that the Mayans were much more sophisticated as all those other people that predicted the end of the world, such as Christians (I'm christian; not an insult, sarcasm), no.
From my perspective, it could be the end of the Mayan Calander or Civilization, even though we used theirs. Anything could happen if the Mayan Calander ended as predicted. First, weather changes will go on like Summer will be Winter and Spring will be Autumn by following months and opposing to Australia, etc. Second, if it's the end of the world, then why are there going to be survivors... aren't there like over a trillion of us in Earth? Third of all, usually technology, Global Warming, etc. can only end the world and they said 2012 is coming into Winter but why do scientists and researchers believe we're going into Global Warming? If Mayans think we're going to a lost planet and Global Warming would make us look like Mars, only one of them could be right. Even though both ways is the 'end of the world' doesn't mean that they're always right.
From the Mayans, they calculate by using math but is it always true? Yes and no but half I assume is a belief from the Mayans and not all calculations are always right. Global Warming on the other hand is more like heating up temperature and even though they also calculated and researched but isn't scientists and researchers more modern?
Although I mentioned two ways 'the end of the world', I was trying to prove my point that Mayans might be wrong but I'm doubts in both of them, but highly more doubts on the Mayans even though they invented the Calander.
Even though 2012 may be the end of the world, as mentioned... Mayans believe it's going to become a lost planet while modern day researchers think it'll become like Mars doesn't match equally unless Earth burned in 2008 then went frozen in 2012 would seem akward. Which would happen first? And which will flop?
Also as for "6/6/06", the so called "Omen" isn't even from the Christian religion, they just took the numbers from that religion to make it look like it's the end and no priest or nun said that's the end. The only thing that the Christians believed it was the end was when there was a bubonic plague or the apocolypse. As for the Apocolypse, real math wouldn't pop up "6/6/06". Mayans may have use math, invented the Calander, etc. but it doesn't mean they're right, from that website it seems like it's going to be straight-up Winter known as the ice age. If 12/21/12 is the ice age, at least they reversed the day number so it doesn't look like 12/12/12 so they might be right. So if it's 6/6/06, it means Earth will grow fire while 12/21/12 will be frozen... doesn't make sense but reasonable. But if 12/21/12 is true, it's not going to be the end of the world because it'll just be an ice-age when humans will have trouble to live but it can't wipe out the entire planet.
There's a difference between "Fact and Belief" and "End of the world and Ice-Age". Also, don't forget about Global Warming.
I'm surprised how people didn't mention about Global Warming and religion belief yet, so I brought that up. But I think that's just the end of the Mayan Calander or Civilization so it's not the end of world basicly.
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As sure as I am that the Mayans were much more sophisticated as all those other people that predicted the end of the world, such as Christians (I'm christian; not an insult, sarcasm), no.
Wait a second...if I understand your sarcasm correctly, what you really mean is that christianity is a religion that formed in a more advanced society than the mayan civilization, so despite the fact that all these theological doomsday predictions defy all known laws of physics to about the same extent, an apocalypse based on the christian book of revelations is still significantly more likely than an apocalypse based on numerology and the mayan calendar? That sounds to me like saying that if a christian claimed that one plus one equaled three and a mayan claimed it equaled four, then despite the fact that both statements defy all known laws of mathematics, the first one is more likely to be correct. In other words, it sounds pretty ridiculous.
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If Mayans think we're going to a lost planet and Global Warming would make us look like Mars ... Mayans believe it's going to become a lost planet while modern day researchers think it'll become like Mars doesn't match equally unless Earth burned in 2008 then went frozen in 2012 would seem akward.
You do understand that Mars is significantly colder than Earth is, right?
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Also as for "6/6/06", the so called "Omen" isn't even from the Christian religion, they just took the numbers from that religion to make it look like it's the end and no priest or nun said that's the end.
Of course. The mayan calendar is the same way, they're both just numerology and neither of them means anything.
The christian states that no time and says no man can predict the coming of Jesus. Much more logical than numerical apocalypse.
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You do understand that Mars is significantly colder than Earth is, right?
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Of course but didn't Mars age?
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Of course. The mayan calendar is the same way, they're both just numerology and neither of them means anything.
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So basicly, it's just a belief. Just an FYI, everybody, even the Chinese uses the Mayan Calander.