Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2007-02-02 at 16:58:57
Alright, here's the deal. For eons untold, Mac and PC users have fought a bitter and indecisive war over which OS is better. Let's see if we can decide for ourselves!
I'm not that knowledgeable about Mac's and what is better in a Mac than in a PC, but I'm quite versed in PC lore. So I'll begin with telling you how PC's are better than Mac's, and I hope you Mac users come back and tell your side of the story!
So to begin, I'll start with the very basics of computers: hardware. PCs offer vastly superior hardware support ranging from graphics cards to processors. For many months, Windows has been offering 64-bit support. 64-bit applications offer increased performance and security. Let's talk about performance! When using Mac's boot camp to use both MacOS and Windows, a PC outscored a Mac that was configured in exactly the same way using Windows in boot camp in every application tested by anywhere from 3-10%. A lot of programs covering a variety of types of applications were benchmarked, including virus scans, DVD encoding, and games.
Other than that, Apple is known as a company to shoot for a monopoly on its products, perhaps even more than say Intel. Just look at the iPod - you basically have to use iTunes to put music on it. But what about MacOS? They've created a smear campaign (completely unfounded after watching some of the commercials) about how MacOS is better than Windows. How many Windows users are actually boring like that though? Gamers own PCs, and some of the best multimedia software is Windows only. Isn't it strange how Microsoft gets pounded for releasing Windows with Media Player and Internet Explorer while Apple gets to sell MacOS with all of the added junk that comes standard with that? Somebody tell me how that works out.
Lastly, games. Windows = games. Mac = not.
I'm not that knowledgeable about Mac's and what is better in a Mac than in a PC, but I'm quite versed in PC lore. So I'll begin with telling you how PC's are better than Mac's, and I hope you Mac users come back and tell your side of the story!
So to begin, I'll start with the very basics of computers: hardware. PCs offer vastly superior hardware support ranging from graphics cards to processors. For many months, Windows has been offering 64-bit support. 64-bit applications offer increased performance and security. Let's talk about performance! When using Mac's boot camp to use both MacOS and Windows, a PC outscored a Mac that was configured in exactly the same way using Windows in boot camp in every application tested by anywhere from 3-10%. A lot of programs covering a variety of types of applications were benchmarked, including virus scans, DVD encoding, and games.
Other than that, Apple is known as a company to shoot for a monopoly on its products, perhaps even more than say Intel. Just look at the iPod - you basically have to use iTunes to put music on it. But what about MacOS? They've created a smear campaign (completely unfounded after watching some of the commercials) about how MacOS is better than Windows. How many Windows users are actually boring like that though? Gamers own PCs, and some of the best multimedia software is Windows only. Isn't it strange how Microsoft gets pounded for releasing Windows with Media Player and Internet Explorer while Apple gets to sell MacOS with all of the added junk that comes standard with that? Somebody tell me how that works out.
Lastly, games. Windows = games. Mac = not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2007-02-02 at 17:01:38
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Save US!!!
Honestly, dost thou remember the time of the Apple Still Sucks topic?
And Preview is one of the cleanest applications there is.
I say, virtualize Windows and OS X in Linux
Honestly, dost thou remember the time of the Apple Still Sucks topic?
And Preview is one of the cleanest applications there is.
I say, virtualize Windows and OS X in Linux
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2007-02-02 at 17:05:47
lol Doodle
I tested out a Mac at my local Apple Store, and I must say I'm not impressed at all. Not only were there a bunch of buttons on the bottom of the desktop(or dashboard or whatever Apple calls it) that did nothing, but the lack of right click was insanely stupid. If they did it to seperate themselves from Windows, then good job on removing one of the most useful features ever.
I tested out a Mac at my local Apple Store, and I must say I'm not impressed at all. Not only were there a bunch of buttons on the bottom of the desktop(or dashboard or whatever Apple calls it) that did nothing, but the lack of right click was insanely stupid. If they did it to seperate themselves from Windows, then good job on removing one of the most useful features ever.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2007-02-02 at 17:10:05
QUOTE(Felagund @ Feb 2 2007, 05:58 PM)
Alright, here's the deal. For eons untold, Mac and PC users have fought a bitter and indecisive war over which OS is better. Let's see if we can decide for ourselves!
I'm not that knowledgeable about Mac's and what is better in a Mac than in a PC, but I'm quite versed in PC lore. So I'll begin with telling you how PC's are better than Mac's, and I hope you Mac users come back and tell your side of the story!
So to begin, I'll start with the very basics of computers: hardware. PCs offer vastly superior hardware support ranging from graphics cards to processors. For many months, Windows has been offering 64-bit support. 64-bit applications offer increased performance and security. Let's talk about performance! When using Mac's boot camp to use both MacOS and Windows, a PC outscored a Mac that was configured in exactly the same way using Windows in boot camp in every application tested by anywhere from 3-10%. A lot of programs covering a variety of types of applications were benchmarked, including virus scans, DVD encoding, and games.
Other than that, Apple is known as a company to shoot for a monopoly on its products, perhaps even more than say Intel. Just look at the iPod - you basically have to use iTunes to put music on it. But what about MacOS? They've created a smear campaign (completely unfounded after watching some of the commercials) about how MacOS is better than Windows. How many Windows users are actually boring like that though? Gamers own PCs, and some of the best multimedia software is Windows only. Isn't it strange how Microsoft gets pounded for releasing Windows with Media Player and Internet Explorer while Apple gets to sell MacOS with all of the added junk that comes standard with that? Somebody tell me how that works out.
Lastly, games. Windows = games. Mac = not.
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I'm not that knowledgeable about Mac's and what is better in a Mac than in a PC, but I'm quite versed in PC lore. So I'll begin with telling you how PC's are better than Mac's, and I hope you Mac users come back and tell your side of the story!
So to begin, I'll start with the very basics of computers: hardware. PCs offer vastly superior hardware support ranging from graphics cards to processors. For many months, Windows has been offering 64-bit support. 64-bit applications offer increased performance and security. Let's talk about performance! When using Mac's boot camp to use both MacOS and Windows, a PC outscored a Mac that was configured in exactly the same way using Windows in boot camp in every application tested by anywhere from 3-10%. A lot of programs covering a variety of types of applications were benchmarked, including virus scans, DVD encoding, and games.
Other than that, Apple is known as a company to shoot for a monopoly on its products, perhaps even more than say Intel. Just look at the iPod - you basically have to use iTunes to put music on it. But what about MacOS? They've created a smear campaign (completely unfounded after watching some of the commercials) about how MacOS is better than Windows. How many Windows users are actually boring like that though? Gamers own PCs, and some of the best multimedia software is Windows only. Isn't it strange how Microsoft gets pounded for releasing Windows with Media Player and Internet Explorer while Apple gets to sell MacOS with all of the added junk that comes standard with that? Somebody tell me how that works out.
Lastly, games. Windows = games. Mac = not.
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As long as the Mac you buy has an expansion slot, like the Mac Pro, you can purchase your own video card, etc for it.
And even if PCs offer 64 bit support for added security(you know, the security Macs don't need..) and performance(you know, the performance you don't get because you still only run 32 bit applications..) Also, http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/64bit/
Uhh, Windows is definately just as bad if you're speaking about monopolies. Like how Microsoft intentionally makes OpenGL less efficient on Windows, and since more people are on Windows, games are programmed with DirectX, which isn't supported on both Mac and Linux. OpenGL is the standard for 3D graphics..
The commercials are junk, everybody but morons knows that.
I think it's accepted that for doing things that involve media and stuff, Macs are better. They are more stable, less susceptible to malware, to a point where it doesn't ever cause a problem..
Windows Media Player 11 is kickass.. but seriously... once you reinstall Windows, what do you do first.... www.getfirefox.com or www.opera.com... then install everything else. However, with Macs, most of it comes ready out of the box.
If you want games, dual boot with Windows, end of story.
Also, if you don't like the mighty mouse's lack of a right click button... plug in your own USB mouse that has a right click button.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2007-02-02 at 17:51:18
My Windows can drives teh carz. I no nothin' 'bout Macs, but I know that most programs are geared for Windows, most games are geared for windows, and I have no idea what's the real point of a Mac.
I'd be much interested in a Linux vrs Windows debate.
I'd be much interested in a Linux vrs Windows debate.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2007-02-02 at 17:53:43
But Apple doesn't support NVidia cards at the moment. It'd be nice if Apple just went with standardized specs, even if they are by Microsoft. At least they've gone with Intel processors as an option now as well.
Like I said, game performance takes a 3-10% hit in a Mac compared to the same configuration on a real PC.
Like I said, game performance takes a 3-10% hit in a Mac compared to the same configuration on a real PC.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2007-02-02 at 18:01:29
Not a lot, but still something. What is a Mac good at except being not susceptible to viruses and stable?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2007-02-02 at 18:14:36
MAKING A MOVIE!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2007-02-02 at 18:21:19
QUOTE(Centreri @ Feb 2 2007, 06:51 PM)
My Windows can drives teh carz. I no nothin' 'bout Macs, but I know that most programs are geared for Windows, most games are geared for windows, and I have no idea what's the real point of a Mac.
I'd be much interested in a Linux vrs Windows debate.
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Well honestly, Windows isn't really that good of an operating system.. the only reason it's used now is because it's popular...(if you need me to explain this more, go ahead and try to debunk it... ~.~)
What do you mean support nVidia cards? The Mac Pro gives you the choice of buying a 7300gt or Quadro right out of the box.
And what do you mean standardized specs? Explain.
Well, a Mac (hardware) is pretty similar to PC hardware... except that the Mac's use EFI and PCs use BIOS. The operating system, some people like it more, most of it is opinion, however, there are some things that it's pretty obvious it has a hand over Windows.
And yeah, Mac generally is used for media artists and stuff. I don't really know much about this though, as I don't do any of it/deal with any of the programs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2007-02-02 at 18:28:11
I spend 30 hours a week making graphics. Graphics on a PC.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2007-02-02 at 18:30:19
And what is that supposed to mean? Who's saying PCs aren't capable of making graphics?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2007-02-02 at 18:32:58
What do media producers need that PC doesn't readily provide (albeit for 400$).
I would switch to Linux in a heartbeat if it supported all my games and programs like Photoshop readily. It's free, it's easily customizable, and it makes me feel good inside because it has an 'x' in it.
I would switch to Linux in a heartbeat if it supported all my games and programs like Photoshop readily. It's free, it's easily customizable, and it makes me feel good inside because it has an 'x' in it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2007-02-02 at 18:41:42
Well, ease of use, security, reliablillity, etc. Especially when your job is this, you usually don't want to screw around with things like loss of data and viruses. I mean, that's why a lot servers aren't on Windows... :\
Unless you know a decent amount of how Linux works, what you can do is sort of limited.
Unless you know a decent amount of how Linux works, what you can do is sort of limited.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2007-02-02 at 19:06:41
The 8800 I meant... and AMD processors? What about those? Do Macs even have motherboard options?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2007-02-02 at 20:15:17
Well, why wouldn't Mac support the 8800gt s/x's It's just drivers and stuff now, but obviously they will in the future. AMD processors? And why would you want AMD processors now..? And no, there is no choice of motherboards from product to product, but is that a big problem? No, because each motherboard will/can do what it needs to do. And the fact that Apple limits hardware discrepencies is what makes it very stable. You buy a Mac, you know it will run, guaranteed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Desperado on 2007-02-02 at 20:25:07
Macs are closed machines with limited software and peripheal use. Windows lets you install any software and any hardware. As long as this remains true, Macs will never be anything more than a novelty.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IanMM on 2007-02-02 at 20:36:01
Ok most of you don't own a mac.
Macs can use right click, it can use any mouse.
Macs can now boot up windows making them be boot windows an mac. Macs can run image editing programs quicker, photoshop, they have very nice built in games, built in spellcheck, fast ant-virus software updates, software updates, XEdit hehe , JavaOp2 Bot, they're much easier to use. The bar at the bottom of the screen is the doc it can hold applications.
I would like to have a pc only for the gaming aspect.
Macs can use right click, it can use any mouse.
Macs can now boot up windows making them be boot windows an mac. Macs can run image editing programs quicker, photoshop, they have very nice built in games, built in spellcheck, fast ant-virus software updates, software updates, XEdit hehe , JavaOp2 Bot, they're much easier to use. The bar at the bottom of the screen is the doc it can hold applications.
I would like to have a pc only for the gaming aspect.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2007-02-02 at 20:44:58
QUOTE(Desperado @ Feb 2 2007, 09:25 PM)
Macs are closed machines with limited software and peripheal use. Windows lets you install any software and any hardware. As long as this remains true, Macs will never be anything more than a novelty.
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Limited software? So basically, you mean they can't play games? Because 99% of programs for Windows have a similar program for Mac.
Right, but when there is nothing missing (performance wise) between the hardware that Windows is able to use, and Mac is not, the only difference is the surefire stabillity and compatibillity that the Mac has.
And as IanMM said, use bootcamp, boot with Windows, you have a computer able to boot in both Mac and Windows, something that hardware Mac doesn't support won't ever have.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro-Fire on 2007-02-02 at 20:46:57
pc with linux on it, and no windows.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2007-02-02 at 21:10:15
QUOTE(Deathawk @ Feb 2 2007, 06:30 PM)
And what is that supposed to mean? Who's saying PCs aren't capable of making graphics?
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The Mac marketing campaign.
QUOTE(IanMM @ Feb 2 2007, 08:36 PM)
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There are so many fallacies in this it's just silly.
QUOTE(IanMM @ Feb 2 2007, 08:36 PM)
Macs can now boot up windows making them be boot windows an mac.
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So what if Macs can boot windows? I could easily boot Mac OS X on a PC, it just wouldn't be legal.
QUOTE(IanMM @ Feb 2 2007, 08:36 PM)
Macs can run image editing programs quicker, photoshop, they have very nice built in games, built in spellcheck, fast ant-virus software updates, software updates, XEdit hehe , JavaOp2 Bot, they're much easier to use.
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That is completely dependent on processor speed, your graphics card, and a variety of other factors. A good PC will run image editors better than a bad Mac, and vise-versa. Spellcheck? EVERYTHING has a built in spellcheck. As I type this, Fx is underlining spellcheck because spell check is not a compound word. I can update any software on my Windows box just as easily as a Mac box, or my Linux box. (More easily than my Linux box.) XEdit? We have SCMDraft and StarForge. JavaOp2 Bot? We have Stealthbot. Easier to use? Any mentally challenged person can flick either on and get a result. Your ONLY valid point is virus protection. Which Windows phails at, but again, the intelligent person doesn't need it.
QUOTE(IanMM @ Feb 2 2007, 08:36 PM)
The bar at the bottom of the screen is the doc it can hold applications.
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WHOAH! That blows my mind.
Seriously, there are plenty of Docks out for windows. If I wanted one, I'd open one of mine up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2007-02-02 at 21:27:29
QUOTE(Syphon @ Feb 2 2007, 10:10 PM)
The Mac marketing campaign.
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I said that before, it's obviously BS, don't need to be a genious to know that.
But you act like Microsoft isn't just as bad.
"He makes the claim that 'security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.'" ~Bill Gates
http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/02/02/1940232.shtml
Also, running Mac OSX on a PC isn't really the same as on a Mac, it doesn't run as well/if at all. I'm 99% sure Mac OSX has trouble with AMD processors, too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2007-02-02 at 21:57:06
QUOTE(Deathawk @ Feb 2 2007, 09:27 PM)
I said that before, it's obviously BS, don't need to be a genious to know that.
But you act like Microsoft isn't just as bad.
"He makes the claim that 'security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.'" ~Bill Gates
http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/02/02/1940232.shtml
Also, running Mac OSX on a PC isn't really the same as on a Mac, it doesn't run as well/if at all. I'm 99% sure Mac OSX has trouble with AMD processors, too.
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But you act like Microsoft isn't just as bad.
"He makes the claim that 'security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.'" ~Bill Gates
http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/02/02/1940232.shtml
Also, running Mac OSX on a PC isn't really the same as on a Mac, it doesn't run as well/if at all. I'm 99% sure Mac OSX has trouble with AMD processors, too.
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Core Duo's and Celeron D's support OS X with almost no changes, and other processors that just have SSE2 need a hack.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IanMM on 2007-02-08 at 11:42:58
I have friends who bought vista now it's like windows is saying screw you to the older comps. Most apps don't run on the new Vista, though some of it looks kinda cool, it's just too shiny for me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2007-02-08 at 13:01:37
It's like the Little-Can(mac) and the All-Can(PC), literally. I go for the All-Can.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2007-02-08 at 14:53:01
QUOTE(Gigins @ Feb 8 2007, 02:01 PM)
It's like the Little-Can(mac) and the All-Can(PC), literally. I go for the All-Can.
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I don't get it? o.o
And yeah, Vista is still not completely bug free. Drivers aren't very good, but they're working on it, and hopefully once all the problems in it are fixed, the problem won't exist