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part 1 (intro): http://youtube.com/watch?v=tiyJzWy3CDQ

now here's where the discrimination starts

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPHnXrU5JzU

lol "we're a christian nation"
last time i checked, we were secular

So. It's not offending and besides remember that thing in America called freedom of speech. I guess that will keep going on in the religion wars.

I thought atheists didnt care about if people do stuff like that.

I'm not really sure if anger directed towards CNN is justified, but I certainly am annoyed at the two commentators (not the ESPN one)...

Atheists need to shut up because they're wrong? America isn't fascist because "we have strong churches and the atheists are not strong?" What a load of extremist-fascist crap. -_-



I agree, they do have freedom of speech, they are allowed to say those things, but I still find it offensive. As an atheist, I do care about people accusing me of destroying America or people trying to infringe upon my rights, but I also recognize their right to share their opinions.

right on brother. And once again freedom of speech will always bend the situations.

Wow I'm Catholic, but that black lady and that white lady need to "shut up". I agree with Stephen A. Smith the black guy that was in it. He said that atheists can believe what they want. They are not going to change his beliefs.


I was going to say that were not officially a Christian nation just like we dont have an official language. It's just that a majority of the people are that.

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I also found it idiotic when that lady said she wished that prayer was still in school because it imposes values. I didn't know that people that don't pray don't have moral values.

I'm agnostic and I respect and treat other people more kindly more than any other religious person I've ever met personally. But the real problem isn't religion, race, or gender its people. People, not a specific kind of person, will always find a way to discriminate against another kind of person because they are different in any way. You will see atheists who are even worse than those two female doges in that interview and you will also find atheists who seem like they the most intelligent and wise people in the world.

People need to start learning how to truly pick out the scum of this earth and discriminate against them so we can get past this red vs blue, god vs cow, north vs south bullcrap.

And they say Fox News is biased...


I don't quite agree about what those two girls were saying about atheists, but in the first video, the guy from 3:11-3:36 kind of does bring up a good point about why atheists are viewed as what they are and why people hate them so much.
When people say we're a christian nation, it doesn't mean our government is controlled by christianity; it simply means that the majority of people here are christian.

And speaking of Seperation of Church and state...


Because I am Christian, I believe in a seperation of Church and State.


I believe this not necessarily because I don't want government to be "twisted" by religion, but that I don't want religion to be "twisted" by government. Imagine if these two were combined. People have always been saying that if such a thing happened, government would be "corrupted." But wait, does this mean that mean religion remains untouched? So are you saying that when the two are combined, only government is affected but religion is not?
IMO is is far from true. When both are combined, not only would government be affected (in a good or bad way), religion will be too (and I believe it will happen in a bad way). Again, because I am religious, I do not want my religion to become corrupt; and I especially do not want to see it be corrupted by government.

As an Athiest I would absolutely hate the government to really take on christanity. For example. If congress was swept by fundamentalist christian beliefs it would be horrible. Why?

Lets take apart the bible shall we?
-Christians follow jesus.
-Jesus said you have to follow old laws + new laws until the end of time.
-Christians suppose to follow old laws cuz jesus said so(however they obvioulsy don't)
-Fundamentalists are extreme.
-Old Laws would demand me dead(I think the punishment is being stoned to death?)

So if you got fundamentalist christians into congress and president..... and it got so tied into the government that it swept the nation... you would see a modern holocaust. You may think i'm thinking a little to drastic, however the fact is that it's possible especially by the time my generation is gone[idk 80 - 90 years?] if fundamentalist christanity got itself dug deep into the government [now]. Thats why I would not want religion + government. If it somehow happened, I'd be in europe immediately(declining in religion, increasing in agnosticism).

Ironic. Those populating the original colonies were athiest/agnostic running from persecution in europe. Now religion in europe is slowly falling, and religion in america is slowly rising. Also weird that our country was founded by athiests and agnostics and then in the 70's they added "under god" to the pledge. It's not so much the "god" that makes me mad, but the fact that it's wrong.


Realize that I bolded and underlined fundamentalists for a reason. This in no way applies to the pope, priests, strict christians, any average christian as I don't consider any of them fundamentalists. Watch "Jesus Camp" for further reference on fundamentalists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fath...States#Religion

I don't see anywhere saying they were all atheist/agnostic

If the government was completely ruled by Christianity, then there would be absolutely no killing done by federal troops/agents. They'd all have to follow the sixth commandment: Thou shalt not kill. The U.S. would then be a pansy nation.

Don't forget to turn to John 3:16

"For go`d had loved the world so much he had givin his only begotten son"

There are plenty of Christians who have ignored that commandment.

Historically speaking I'm surprised Christians even know that commandment exists.

Yes they were, but they realized that religion can cause corruption. So they made the first amendment. Therefore, USA is NOT technically a Christian nation.

And, can somebody clarify what exactly the Pledge of Allegiance is? I know pretty much nothing about it. Do you guys use it as an anthem or something?

That's not the point I was making though. The point is that you cannot use the argument that our founding fathers were all atheists/agnostic as an argument for saying that this is not a religious nation, which I've seen just too many people try and use.

I'm a christian and i've read the bible twice, and i'm not really sure what point you're trying to make by saying that...



It's ok to ignore one or two of them...right?

Catholics support war in order to achieve goals that otherwise cannot be acheived. And besides, the nation has been mostly run by Christians(as the majoritiy of the nation is Christian) for it's existance. Just because it turns into a pure Christian, doesn't mean it'll be run by Christian law. It'd probably run mostly the same.

Seperation of State and Church is not what the first ammendment is. It simply forbids congress to pass laws affecting any religion. This means its okay to pray in school or teach Creationism, or even for a state to declare an official church.

This... this is a perfect display of the idiocy that makes me occasionally assault America. If something like CNN lets these people go live, I just lost all respect for CNN.

I don't mind prayer or anything in school, as long as I can easily say no and do something else not at all worse than that. If they had told me that it's either prayer or cleaning up, I'd be pissed. If I were told if you don't want prayer you can wait, I would be perfectly content.

The Pledge of Allegiance... well, schoolchildren in America are often forced to recite it daily; I'm not completely sure what part it plays in life in America otherwise, but not very significant. But it does have a direct reference to god, and I was always really annoyed that I was forced to say it. And if I was a perfect human who couldn't break vows, it forbid me from doing anything such as leaving America for good .

USA is not a Christian nation. It's a nation that was founded by Christians and is populated mainly by Christians - even though not far from one half of the population fits the 'other' category. America is neutral in any religious war. Or it's supposed to be. If it comes to Christianity vs Islam, we know what side it will join. And it will inevitably say that it was doing it for the good of mankind, even if the cause of the Christian side was less righteous than that of the Muslims.

The comment about discrimination toward Atheists was somewhat justified was idiotic - like all examples of discrimination, Most of the atheists didn't do a thing and were still discriminated against. And, of course, the Muslims bombed the Twin Towers and other Christians tried to conquer Europe and killed thousands of U.S. soldiers and all that... And yet, the worst crime of the atheists was trying to change the signs on the dollar bill and they're the most hated or close to being the most hated minority in the U.S. Funny, no? I wonder how stupid CNN has to be not to catch that.

I've never personally noted any hostility against atheists, but with everything else that's going on in America I really wouldn't be surprised. This is disgusting. Anyone can pray to god anywhere, and yet someone can't tell someone that god doesn't exist without someone else bearing down on them, spreading rumors, and ruining the lives of one out of three million people who had done nothing wrong?

Disgusting.

You can kill. You see the bible is not that hypocritical of itself.

What you cannot do is murder someone. The proper hebrew translation is murder not kill.

The difference? The difference is reason. Murder means unjustified [to god]. If a christian killed another proper christian, it is murder according to the bible. If a bunch of christians raid and pillage a city where there is a single person that preaches a different law than the bible, then it is not murder. Therefor if George Bush said "I must go kill middle easterns, cuz God told me to" and therefor used that as reason, in a fundamental chrisitan society he would be given all the funds possible.

So no, if anything the U.S. could easily be much more aggressive if held by a fundamental christian congress or society.


Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. ~ Jesus. Hahaha, no. To bad no one follows all of the commandments.

God*
"For God so loved the world, he gave his one and only son..."

Anywho, free country man. Freedom of speech - Religion and press etc