I had a project about stem cell research and it made me think. the are three types. one can get stem cells from ambionic fluids after a baby is born. Adult stem cells that can be taken from any adult. and there is embrionic stem cells that kill a fetus and then is extracted. the protestors protest the third option. the scientist are fighting for the third option even though they can use the other two that no one cares about.
That's totally correct, unless you consider the fact that you made either a conscious or unconscious decision to leave out - that the stem cells taken from already-aborted fetuses (as in they would be aborted anyway) have the potential to turn into a much greater variety of cell types. Tell all of the facts before stating an opinion like that.
I heard the obelical cord (sorry about the typo, maybe) could serve as a great source of Stem cells... It has to be removed anyway, and if it can help save lifes, I don't see why they should fully approve this.
In my opinion why couldn't they just take stem cells from really old people who are about to die (not talking about the healthy ones) and maybe the HIV or AIDS patients (who are also going to die soon...)?
I am for stem cell research. Do you have any idea how much better it would serve humanity? And unborn babies really aren't even self-sufficient yet, meaning that by themselves (without el mom) they'd die anyway.
I think its good. Many things can be cured by doing this. The only problem is that half of the ways of curing them are illegal.....like cloning.
QUOTE(Nozomu @ Sep 17 2004, 06:20 PM)
That's totally correct, unless you consider the fact that you made either a conscious or unconscious decision to leave out - that the stem cells taken from already-aborted fetuses (as in they would be aborted anyway) have the potential to turn into a much greater variety of cell types. Tell all of the facts before stating an opinion like that.
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this was totally unconscious but i still believe that they could do the same thing without pissing anyone off
QUOTE(Shadow Paladin @ Sep 19 2004, 10:15 AM)
And that thing is... ?
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that thing is stem cell research. they can get stem cells from a umbilical cord from a healthy new born. it accomplishes the same result but no one will get mad.
And taking them from something that's already dead is worse for some reason?
well there shouldn't be abortion in the first place.
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In my opinion why couldn't they just take stem cells from really old people who are about to die (not talking about the healthy ones) and maybe the HIV or AIDS patients (who are also going to die soon...)?
Something interesting about stem cells is that they all have their own internal clocks. So this gives them there own life span. If we were to take cells from older people the cells would be older and would die faster.
Such as when they cloned Dolly the cells they used to clone her with was from an adult sheep. So when Dolly was born it was born already into an adult. This is one of the big problems with stem cells and finding a good supply of them.
(I know alot on cloning and stem cells, had to write a research paper for it)
QUOTE(man6311 @ Sep 21 2004, 04:39 PM)
well there shouldn't be abortion in the first place.
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That's a completely different topic and your point is irrelevant since no matter what you think there still is abortion. Good one!
QUOTE(Nozomu @ Sep 21 2004, 11:44 PM)
That's a completely different topic and your point is irrelevant since no matter what you think there still is abortion. Good one!
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It is a different subject. The point is that you can acomplish the same exact thing without messing with what other people have problems with.
Wouldent it be possible to just get healthy cells from an aborted newborn, and clone them while their young?
QUOTE(xXLordSlippyXx @ Sep 24 2004, 11:06 PM)
Wouldent it be possible to just get healthy cells from an aborted newborn, and clone them while their young?
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yeah i guess but you can still get from a umbilical cord then clone that.
QUOTE(Buletbutter @ Sep 18 2004, 04:29 PM)
I think its good. Many things can be cured by doing this. The only problem is that half of the ways of curing them are illegal.....like cloning.
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i agree becouse
would you rather have people dieing
or people living for a little bit longer
i mean what if that was you
would you want to live longer or die sooner???
I thought that older stem cells or stem cells from the umbilical cord or from old people were not as good as embryonic stem cells because they couldnt turn into as many different cells as other types of stem cells.
QUOTE(devilesk @ Sep 27 2004, 08:36 PM)
I thought that older stem cells or stem cells from the umbilical cord or from old people were not as good as embryonic stem cells because they couldnt turn into as many different cells as other types of stem cells.
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they could also just as easily get one embro and clone that. they curnertly have many but istaed of cloning those they use them mess up and then it is useless
I'm fine with the 1st two options. Those options use cells which although are living, are not sentinent. 2/3 Isn't so bad. What adult wouldn't give up one cell to help save a life. The third option is wrong because after an egg is inseminated, it is sentinent. I posted all of the reasons and details for my opinon in the forum on abortion.
We're not cloning to get any cells cuz clonning is morally totally bad.
And someone already mentionned in the thread (or some others) that a cloned being gets old blood cells, not new ones.
Cloning is just forced cell division in an artificial environment. Cell divison itself is a completely natural process. Saying cloning is morally wrong is like saying it's morally wrong to use medicine to help heal a wound you've received. Plus, morality is subjective - it means different things to different people. So you can throw that argument out the window right now.
How did we get to cloning? I think that we should live cloning alone. If someone dies then it was ment to happen. As I say "Everything happens for a reason". Stem cells research is ok. I won't protest it or anything I just don't want to get invovled with any of it, i mean look at it like medicine as someone said before (forgot who and to lazy to go find out). If it helps save a life than it is ok in my book.
QUOTE(Zergling[SK] @ Oct 5 2004, 10:13 AM)
How did we get to cloning? I think that we should live cloning alone. If someone dies then it was ment to happen. As I say "Everything happens for a reason". Stem cells research is ok. I won't protest it or anything I just don't want to get invovled with any of it, i mean look at it like medicine as someone said before (forgot who and to lazy to go find out). If it helps save a life than it is ok in my book.
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Save one and kill another. scientists has proven that life begins in the woom(sorry for the spelling error). so when you revome the fetus then you kill an innoccent baby. that is why it is such a contraversy. and that is why you must care about stem cells.
Except you're omitting the fact that any aborted babies from which stem cells are gathered would be aborted anyway. So really, if they're already dead, it shouldn't matter.