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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-09-27 at 10:28:54
Okay, I have a crazy story to tell you guys, and it has an unpleasant ending. But first, some background. I'm a 20-year-old student at the Berklee College of Music. The school I'm at requires a lot from me, and I have to work very hard to make good grades. As you can imagine, all of this work generates a lot of stress, so I, along with most of the other students, engage in the American college student's favorite stress-relieving pastime - partying.

On this particular occasion, I called in a favor from a 22-year-old friend and acquired two bottles of cheap wine and invited these two very attractive girls over (I had met them at another party two weeks ago). So we're hanging out and one of the girls' boyfriend gets there too (he's a friend of mine, in fact I set them up). This other guy also came with them (he was a friend of theirs). So, to start us off, we get drunk. I was pretty damn drunk, but these girls (who said that they could handle it) were off the scale. So the 5-person party starts getting wild. I'm rocking out on the guitar, the girls are writing stuff in Sharpie all over me and the boyfriend, and things are getting otu of control. So then we get to talking about girls kissing each other. The single girl had never kissed another, so the attached girl said "we'll change that". She pushed her down on my bed, straddled her, and started making out with her right there. I was nice and sauced, so I was just groovin', enjoying the moment. So they kept kissing for a while, and they started moving around, knocking stuff over. It was awesome. Story's good so far, right? Well, about now is when the bad part starts. So after a bit I'm talking to the attached girl, and she says that the single girl likes the guy they brought with them. I was like, "Damn!", because I thought we had really hit it off a few weeks before. So the night goes on and we're still goofing around, and I'm sitting down next to the single girl. The attached girl starts making out with her boyfriend on my rommate's bed, right? And she gives me this look, like "Go for it." So I turn and start kissing the single girl. And she's into it, you know how it is. So then the male friend comes over and gets the single girl up and tells her how drunk she is, and sits her down next to him and doesn't say a word. I finally realize what an ass I had been, and so I go and talk to him about it. The way I saw it (and still see it) is that I had taken advantage of the girls drunkenness when I kissed her. This guy was being a great friend and taking care of her. He said it was fine, and that everybody does dumb stuff like that sometimes. So it gets to be like 2:00 AM and everybody leaves after a wild night. But I'm left with the question - am I responsible for my actions? Should I blame myself for what I did? I try to hold myself to a high standard of morals, and do unto others, and all that. Does my being drunk at the time make me not responsible for my actions?

So here's the question - does being drunk still implicate responsibility? I think it does, because I made the choice to get drunk and all following repercussions are just reactions to my previous choice. This is the place to post your own crazy, drunken stories and your take on this puzzling and complicated issue. So go for it!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-09-27 at 12:06:39
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So here's the question - does being drunk still implicate responsibility


There's a reason they call it 'under the influence', when drunk yiou are not in the same state of mind as if you were sober. You are to some degree still responsible for your actions but you cant be held accountable for every little thing you might say or do.

Like that guy said erveryone does dumb stuff sometimes, especially when drunk.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-09-27 at 12:42:22
The way I see it is that you're not REALLY reaponsible from your actions when you're drunk, since you're not even yourself... On another note, it might be the complete opposite since anything called "shy" completly dissapear once you're drunk, so your most basic instincts and feelings are comming up to the surface...

No stories for me, though, I'm totally against any alchool :/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-09-27 at 13:04:09
That's what I was thinking - maybe there's some part of me that really wanted to take advantage of that girl, and it just came to the surface when I was drunk. It's scary to think that I'm actually capable of considering it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-09-27 at 16:04:58
We're all scaring ourselves at one point or another with secret feelings... I mean, seriously, I would have probably grabbed the chance too. Not that I want to "hurt" the girl (emotionally) or anything, but if both of us consents (at a point, since you're drunk :/ ), you should look back at it with humor, not remorses...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wolf on 2004-09-27 at 19:15:12
QUOTE(Shadow Paladin @ Sep 27 2004, 11:42 AM)
The way I see it is that you're not REALLY reaponsible from your actions when you're drunk, since you're not even yourself... On another note, it might be the complete opposite since anything called "shy" completly dissapear once you're drunk, so your most basic instincts and feelings are comming up to the surface...

No stories for me, though, I'm totally against any alchool :/
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i'm agreeing with you on that one becouse, i mean you can't control your self when your drunk, and i'm against alcohal or any bevrage to make you wild and crazy(not caffine)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sinister_X on 2004-09-29 at 12:17:44
AHA i love that you can do whatever you want at a party and the next day say what i was drunk you can even cheat on someone and say that biggrin.gif i love it
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gh[o]st_ on 2004-10-02 at 18:15:30
Well lets say first that kissing a girl when you drunk is not like killing someone by being drunk when you drive...

I know that you are probably disgusted by yourself but you have to understand you were drunk and she were drunk.

But i think that if you have the same opportunity in the same condition you wouldn't do it again... But that mean that when you are drunk, you can think and you know what is good and what is bad... So i think that whit alcool, you learn with try and error. You did something bad, you won't do it again... So the first time you can't be blamed but watch out to the second time!!

Sry for the spelling

Gh[o]st_
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-10-02 at 21:19:21
I've done dumber stuff sober, so i dont really think what you did was all that bad. As everyone else said, drinking impaired your judgment... a lot... so you shouldnt beat yourself up over it.

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i'm agreeing with you on that one becouse, i mean you can't control your self when your drunk, and i'm against alcohal or any bevrage to make you wild and crazy(not caffine)

When i first read that i didnt catch that "not" and i was about chew you the hell out for saying that about my beloved caffine.... annnny-hoooo i can hold my alcohal pretty well so i drink every now and then but i try to make a point of not getting drunk but i porbably wouldnt be able to function without having something to dink here and there. ::falls asleep on his keyboard::
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nyczdigga on 2004-10-03 at 01:39:03
The reason for drinking alcohol is to get buzz or get :censored:ed over. People who drink don't give a damn what happens next. Another way is to tell your friend don't drink and to drive the alcoholic home.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by T.s.u.k.a.s.a on 2004-10-03 at 10:12:52
You are still mostle responsible for your actions. It was you choice to get drunk. It would've been all your fault is only she was drunk, but you were drunk too. That leaves you a bit less accountable for your actions since your judgement was impaired. Then again, you chose to get drunk. Everyone makes mistakes.

You shouldn't beat yourself up over it. Everyone makes mistakes, and some people do something they shouldn't as a result of a mistake. I often take advantage of people, but it's usually because I hate them or I have a grudge. So you made a mistake, big deal. It's okay to make mistakes as long as you learn from them. It isn't something you should beat yourself up over. Just move on. Whenever you feel bad about it, just say to yourself "At least I didn't have sex with her at that party".

Alchohol gets rid of two things: shyness and some common sense. It is scary to think that there are parts of us that we don't even know about (I mean psychologically). I know that there is a brutal redneck part of me. I'm trying to deal with it. Humans are like Jeckyl and Hyde. Good and bad. One part is on the inside and one on the outside. Alchohol often switches the two around.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-10-03 at 11:38:17
Yeah, I stopped beating myself up over it a while ago. Didn't stop me from drinking again this weekend to blow off some steam. But this time, I only got drunk enough to enjoy myself, and didn't go a sip further. I felt a lot more comfortable.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by OvErRuN on 2004-10-17 at 14:59:25
Well thats good because now you've learned from your mistakes and made good out of them. Good for you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-10-17 at 15:09:15
Hah this weekend I had too much and puked. I guess I'm still getting to know my limits.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2004-10-18 at 15:52:12
Solution: Don't drink. Be like me, and face reality's difficulties with only your naked intellect and constitution to keep you intact.

I guarantee in less than a month you too can be as cynical and depraved as I am... or your money back!


(actually I just don't like alchohol, period. tastes like cleaning chemicals to me. only drink it on special occasions (like after SEN crash), but I don't like drunkness normally.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2004-10-18 at 19:18:56
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(like after SEN crash)
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