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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2004-10-22 at 18:08:36
I think it should be for the following reasons...

1) If doctors can prescribe it, it cant be that bob
2) Alcohol has been proven to be worse for you then marijuana.
3) If its legal the government could jack up the price on it a lot, tax it a lot (more money for government).

There are actually lots of people who claim it isnt bad for you. Just people who go "OMG DRUGS ARE BAD" act like your sterotypical drug guy.

There are lots of sides to that marijuana is actually not addictive at all (or not as much as tobacco, which is legal).

What do you guys think?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DarkDeath19 on 2004-10-22 at 18:21:53
Eh, it still shouldn't be legalized if it has been illegal for my entire life i couldn't imagine it legal... i mean they did years of study proving it was bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2004-10-22 at 19:02:45
Well, I'm neutral on this.
Personally, I don't know much about tobacco, marijuana, legal drugs, or illegal drugs.

I hear in my mind...
If it's been illegal so long, it's probably for a reason.

Yet I also hear...
Hey, it's illegal to hunt whales in Utah.
Which makes no censored.gif ing sense since, without spending a few billion dollars, it's just about impossible.
Humans aren't exactly known for their strong/consistent/intelligent reasoning.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-10-22 at 20:13:28
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1) If doctors can prescribe it, it cant be that bob



Imagine that you have been hit by a car, your limbs were torn apart, but just enough to be mended. It is very painful, you have constant headaches, bad enough that you want to kill yourself. You are constantly bleeding and the loss of blood makes the headaches worse.
If one join can make all that pain go away, think what it can do to a perfectly healthy person.

Plus, if everyone could smoke maryjuana, there would be PLENTY more car crashes and the crime rate would skyrocket! Think about it...

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QUOTE(MindArchon @ Oct 22 2004, 05:08 PM)
There are lots of sides to that marijuana is actually not addictive at all (or not as much as tobacco, which is legal).
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Marijuana is adictive, it may not be as addictive as tobacco, but nicotine (the addictive substance ins tobacco) does no harm to you, its all of the *tar*, if you will, in the cigarrettes thats IS.

Marijuana is a mind altering substance too...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by StarEditron 4000 on 2004-10-22 at 22:53:47
1. if it is legalized (hope not) then it should be HORRIFICALLY EXPENSIVE!
2. its only good for medicinal purposes
3. ANY OTHER REASON THAN MEDICINAL IS BAD
4. DON'T USE IT!!!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-10-22 at 23:12:27
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1. if it is legalized (hope not) then it should be HORRIFICALLY EXPENSIVE!

Why should it be?
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2. its only good for medicinal purposes

Not true. Try it when youre watching fireworks.
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3. ANY OTHER REASON THAN MEDICINAL IS BAD

Untrue.
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4. DON'T USE IT!!!!

For what reason?

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If doctors can prescribe it, it cant be that bob

No way! Its totaly bob!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-10-22 at 23:32:02
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Plus, if everyone could smoke maryjuana, there would be PLENTY more car crashes and the crime rate would skyrocket! Think about it...


Where is there ANY proof for this ? Alchohol is legal and sure there are drunk driving accidents but one thing that wont happen is "crime skyrocketing". Crime results from illegal activity, making it legal defeats the point.

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I hear in my mind...
If it's been illegal so long, it's probably for a reason.


Actually there is no reason why it should remain illegal. It was made illegal in the first place back in the 60's for some obscure reason that has no effect nowdays.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-10-22 at 23:59:21
QUOTE(MindArchon)
2) Alcohol has been proven to be worse for you then marijuana.

There are lots of sides to that marijuana is actually not addictive at all (or not as much as tobacco, which is legal).

What do you guys think?


This isn't a personal attack, but do you have any proof?

Yes, alcohol may may be very bad for you, but only if you take it in large quantities, and that is disproportionate to a single joint you are comparing to.

Alcohol can cause blood poisoning and nervous system temporary failures (and kidney failures) but ...marijuana are mind-altering. In other words, they change how the brain works. They all contain THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), the main active chemical in marijuana. They also contain more than 400 other chemicals. Marijuana’s effects on the user depend on it’s strength or potency, which is related to the amount of THC it contains(5). The THC content of marijuana has been increasing since the 1970s. Which means it's getting worse.

What? How is marijuana not addictive? It is addictive because the chemical inside satisifies the receptors of your cells. However when the receptors are satisifies, they become part of your body and you mind need thinks it needs the substance (which your body can't produce itself) so you continually to consume large amounts of marijuana. Same happens to smoking, and anti-smoking drugs without nicotine works because there are chemicals that send messages to your brain to fool that your cell receptors have been satisfied so you do not have the desire to take a smoke.

And marijuana what else actually happens when you smoke marijuana? Well, it won't kill you, it will slowly ruin your life. Depending on the:
-user's previous experience with the drug;
-how strong the marijuana is (how much THC it has);
-what the user expects to happen;
-where (the place) the drug is used;
-how it is taken; and
-whether the user is drinking alcohol or using other drugs.

then here comes the effects, these are the minors that appear from the first few trials you take marijuana.
-problems with memory and learning.
-distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch)
-trouble with thinking and problemsolving
-loss of motor coordination; and
-increased heart rate.

I learnt this as part of my project. And the loss of motor coordination is the reason why there will be more car crashes.

So here comes the long-term effects:


Cancer
It’s hard to know for sure whether regular marijuana use causes cancer. But it is known that marijuana contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals found in tobacco smoke. (So here is why marijuana is worse than smoking - tobacco and tar) Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.


Lungs and airways
Lungs and airways—People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. They are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.


Immune system
Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect against disease. When the immune cells are weakened you are more likely to get sick.

I'll just clarify this a bit, the parts it damage are your lymph node, which produces lymphocytes and phagocytes, the primary defences of your body.

So in conclusion, marijuana should never be legalised.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-10-23 at 11:15:19
Anything in excess is potentialy dangerous. Even water.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2004-10-23 at 15:00:49
Actually, the marijuana you buy on the streets etc, is NOT safe for you. It has chemicals in it such as Rat Poison and other insecticides. What I'm talking about if someone stole a whole bunch of medical marijuana thats safer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-10-23 at 15:33:26
Still not exactly good for you either...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-10-23 at 15:36:43
Medical marijuanas work because the still contain the substance THC and most mind-altering chemicals, sometimes in larger doses, so medical marijuanas are not necesarrily safer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-10-23 at 16:16:35
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Plus, if everyone could smoke maryjuana, there would be PLENTY more car crashes and the crime rate would skyrocket! Think about it...



What the hell? Have you already smoke "weed"? Yes I already did, And you really don't want to fight... LoL When you smoke and drive, you drive at like 20 km/h... Do you really think that make Huge accident?

LOL really, this is the worse thing i ever heard about Marijuana...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-10-23 at 16:20:14
I seriously hate hearing peoples opinions about it when they've never even tried it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by StarEditron 4000 on 2004-10-23 at 17:06:37
Then again, who really cares about marijuana unless you smoke it? or if it effects your life negatively.

(maybe if someone you know or yourself suffered from someone else using marijuana?)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-10-24 at 03:11:45
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Actually, the marijuana you buy on the streets etc, is NOT safe for you. It has chemicals in it such as Rat Poison and other insecticides. What I'm talking about if someone stole a whole bunch of medical marijuana thats safer.


That only happens when someone spikes it. If every dealer on the street spiked their weed do you think they would keep any customers ? no, because they'd all be dead.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FrylockHolmes on 2004-10-24 at 07:27:01
There's really no reason for it to not be legalized. If the government started selling it, then first of all, people wouldn't have to worry about getting a substance of like, half pot, half baking soda. Also, if the government sold it, we'd totally be out of the deficit in like, two minutes. Besides, it's really damn hypocritical to give people alcohol and cigarettes and not weed. And weed is not physically addictive. There's a difference between physically and mentally addictive. cigarettes are physically addictive because of the nicotine. Trying to quit something that's mentally addictive is hard but it won't give you insane withdrawal side-effects.
I do think though, that if it is legalized, the government should regulate it to make sure people don't smoke shat loads in one day.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-10-24 at 08:47:05
How do you know weed isn't physically addictive?
Mentally Addictive = Habbit.
Physically Addictive = Body Changes and Causes.

Marijuana IS physically addictive because of chemicals that lock into our cell receptors. They become part of our system and we crave for more (same way nicotine works), however we cannot produce any of the substance so we take in more and larger doses. I did explain this in my large post and I think it was just too long for everyone to read all of it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FrylockHolmes on 2004-10-24 at 12:15:55
Yeah, it was too long to read. What I'm saying is that the addiction to pot is in your head, your body doesn't need it. It's true that the mental addiction can become so bad that people will go damn near nuts to get more pot, but physical addictions are a lot easier to control than mental ones most of the time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2004-10-24 at 13:11:32
Actualy Screwed, I've every every post in this thread in its entirety.

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I hear in my mind...
If it's been illegal so long, it's probably for a reason.



Actually there is no reason why it should remain illegal. It was made illegal in the first place back in the 60's for some obscure reason that has no effect nowdays.


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Yet I also hear...
Hey, it's illegal to hunt whales in Utah.
Which makes no  censored.gif inging sense since, without spending a few billion dollars, it's just about impossible.
Humans aren't exactly known for their strong/consistent/intelligent reasoning.


Think about your statement, and mine...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TEC_Ghost on 2004-10-24 at 13:49:00
Ive done maryjane a few times just to see what all the comotion was about, I didnt get high, I didnt hallucinate, I didnt feel any different. We hotboxed a garage and smoked for 3 hours so dont tell me I didnt smoke enough. I dont know if Im immune to that censored.gif , or it really doesnt do anything. All I know is that I got in my car, drove home the speed limit and had a beer with no car accidents and I didnt run over any little kids in the street. Job well done. biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-10-24 at 19:26:51
TEC, weed effects everyone a little differently.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by T.s.u.k.a.s.a on 2004-10-25 at 07:34:10
I say ban marijuana. I'm not one of those people who just keep blabing "Drugs are bad, m-kay." I know that it is less harmful to certain parts of the body then alcohol. There are other equally and even more effective ways to stop pain, like morphine. It shouldn't be llegal because of secondhand smoke and that people will do stupid things when they are high. TEC_Ghost, some people are immune to the bad effects of drugs, alcohol, and tobacco. It is also addictive and alters the mind.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2004-10-28 at 23:38:30
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I say ban marijuana. I'm not one of those people who just keep blabing "Drugs are bad, m-kay." I know that it is less harmful to certain parts of the body then alcohol. There are other equally and even more effective ways to stop pain, like morphine. It shouldn't be llegal because of secondhand smoke and that people will do stupid things when they are high. TEC_Ghost, some people are immune to the bad effects of drugs, alcohol, and tobacco. It is also addictive and alters the mind.
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So, you didnt state why it shuold be banned...

However, heres an article I found.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/marijuan...a_legalize.html

Fewer then 10% of people become addicted.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PearS on 2004-10-29 at 00:12:09
Pot is for losers. If you have to use an illegal drug to make yourself happy or foret how crappy your life is or whatever the hell your reason is, then i think you need to quit being a panzy and deal with your problems instead of running from them. Smoking pot is so pointless, its just a waste of time,money and brain cells =p
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