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well..for my school project..debating...we are debating about GE..lets hear your views, and what you think about Genetic Engineering.

Its also likely i will try to counter your reply with some facts..just to practice

Stem Cell Research -
- Not necessarily dangerous in anyway.
- Can help diabetes and spinal damaged patients.

Muscular Mice (A NZ genetic research centre that has developed a way to repair damage tissue)
- Recover patients with AIDS, Cancer and Muscular Dystrophy.

Other Achievements Genetic Engineering may accomplish -
- The chemical subtance in squids (that respond and glows when in danger) may be extracted and put into plants. In this way, when the weather is too cold, does not suit the plants or the moisture level shows a storm is about to come, the crops (plants) may glow to show a sign.

Many many more uses of GE.

Genetic Engineering is also unsafe

A scientist called Michael Holmes discovered that the Engineered Bacterium, Klebsiella Planticida with an additional alchohol gene, killed all wheat plants nto which they were added. However, no wheat plants died when a non-engineered, parent organism or even water was added.

The bacteriumw as produced to make alchohol from plant debris. With a single release, bacteria can cover long distances, even worldwide.

That meant that this bacterium could get into the root systems of all terrestial plants and produce far beyong the amount of alchohol per gram soil required to kill any terrestial plant.

Had this bacterium been released, we would have lost corn, Wheat, Barley, Trees, Bushes and vegetable crops.

This proves that authorities are not monitoring safety enough and that GE is not as safe as you all think.

ADDITION: And GE could also be the building blocks of more dangerous chemical weapons. Yes it might be good and could cure illnesses...but should another substance be acidentally added, it could result in lots of death around the world

Guys, i want 1 human (i would volinteer) to be cloned. BECAUSE: To me it would once and for all prove the existence of a god depending on the outcome of the experiment. IF:

1. The Clone died imediatly:i would think it had no soul therefor we have souls therfour God Exists.

2. It lives BUT acts like an animal and is not inteligent:i would think same as above.

3. It live like a normal human:i would be horrified and think that we dont have souls therfour there is no god... that better not happen.

4. it lives like a normal human, if normal is whoever was cloned, like the spirit is shared between the two bodies and they mimick eachother or something

i dont like stem cell research i think its wrong, just basically for one reason

u kill someone, to heal someone, so instead of 2 people living with 1 healthily and one sick, there is one sickly/healthy so u just killed someone for a very little reason

THEY KILL PEOPLE TO MAKE CURES!! KILL THE SICK PEOPLE BEFORE THE CHILDREN!

A) Stem cell research dosnt involve the killing of children in any way so shut up your face.

B) A more accurate analogy would be killing one to save millions.

stem cells are from fetuses so in the long run u actually do kill someone

Um... no? You do get them from aborted fetuses, but theyre dead anyway, so it dosnt ing matter.

PS: am i the only one who thinks the censored smiley is a little to angry looking?

I think that it is an ok thing to do. No one is actually hurt and it can possibly save many many people. But if this got into the wrong hands,which it probably will one day, there is no telling what horrible things may happen. We must be very careful lol

"2. It lives BUT acts like an animal and is not inteligent:i would think same as above."
First off, let's say humans are not animals.
Animals are still intelligent; they learn, they adapt.
If you took a little kid, and an adult human, and removed any shared language between them, it would probably be just as hard, if not harder, to train the kid to do things that trained animals can.

Second off: Humans ARE animals dumby



Anyways, back on topic.
I'm leaning towards it's ok:
As far as I know, it doesn't harm anyone, and it benefits many, but I haven't done much research, so I coud be completely wrong.

But I don't see how it could be bad, if proper precations are setup and used.

Lastly, for those that complain it's 'playing God', that cloning is 'unholy', 'tampering with souls', or any other religious such and such...
Who says that God lives in the stone age, and won't make exceptions in the construction of his creatures to include the ability to clone and such?


And zZealot-, have you ever heard of Dolle, the cloned and perfectly normal and healthy sheep or lamb or w/e?
There have been plenty of succesful clonings in which the creatures are perfectly normal.
And if I'm wrong, please correct me, as I didn't bother to study this beyond what I've been taught by others.

I think he said the animal thing because people believe that animals (excluding humans) do not have souls.

yeah..acording to the bible, animals do not have souls..and humans arent considered as animals in it.

I i REALLY dont think that god wants humans to play god. And if u do succesfully clone a human being with a soul, that will mean the end for many relegions cuz it just proves that we dont need god.

ADDITION:

and the fact is, they have not put much effort at all into taking proper precautions..in fact they just accidentally made a potential ultimate bioweapon..go to this site and see for urself. http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/GEessays/engi...dmousevirus.htm

Cloning would one day be physically possible, we have cloned frogs, sheeps and fruit flys without fail. It is now just the governemt and society that is pressurizing against the advancement towards human cloning.

god you dummies... there is no such thing as a soul. what you call a "soul" is really your brains electrical paths and nervs. so basically, if you cloned someones brain, and put it in another body, it would think the exact same thing. (excet about they're body and crap) the reason we think is because of the order of the electrical impulses IN YOURE BRAIN.

this is just like when i dissproved god too...

Illusion, please be considerate of other people's religion. You can believe what you want, share ideas - be contructive. However you shouldn't put off someone on what they believe. You shouldn't just say 'god u dummies' because you don't listen to other people's ideas with empathy. I know what angle you are coming from... but sometimes I personally think our society is a group of diverse people and in addition I just hope I can inform you not to say anything that may be offensive to one's individuality again.

I liek teh GE cuz we cood make, lyk, a spart4n soldier and hed b3 all cool n sh¡t. Alright, enough of that. Yeah, I'm for genetic engineering because the number of people who could be saved by it is huge. Also, It's fine with me if people use aborted fetuses to research GE, because that's all that they're really good for. I don't mean to sound insensitive, but I think if a fetus is going to be aborted, it might as well go to help science. Oh, and I do believe in souls, but not to the extent that a clone could not function if it did not have one. I have proved this theory, as I am still alive after selling my soul for DSL. And Illusions, a couple of things. First of all, take some elementary school grammar classes, you need the help. Use the spell check button before you post anything, it'll make you sound loads smarter, even though you'll still sound like an idiot. Second thing, don't make fun of people for believing in a higher being when you said yourself that you believe that a higher race of aliens put us here. Do you realize that stranding people on a planet and studying them for thousands of years would be the most idiotic idea ever? I mean, the only way they would be able to do that and not suffer immensly is if their technology was so high already that they really wouldn't need to study the evolution cycle. And why would our technology boost matter? Is it so unusual that the human race invented a bunch of things that then led to other things and so on?

im not TRYING to put off other peoples religion, it just dosent make any sense at all. its just not scientifaclly possible. and sometimes i just get annyoed. and last night i was kinda in a bad mood.
and i do listen to other peoples ideas.


ill try not to.

"and the fact is, they have not put much effort at all into taking proper precautions..in fact they just accidentally made a potential ultimate bioweapon..go to this site and see for urself."
*cough* IF *cough* proper precatuions...

Illusion:(now, personally, I don't believe in God, but I don't believe he doesn't exist, but...)
dood omg ter is teh such ting as godz i mean it eh rezerched it an like el proved it dood noob haha u idiot god existz an teh like if eh dint wered we all com frum??!?!!!11!!!!!!1!1!

Does that sound very convincing? Like someone who knows HOW to research?

Oh, and also, how would you know if God is scientificaly possible?
Somewhere around, 1816 I think it was, someone said:
"Everything that can be invented, has been invented."
You sound like him, except more like
"Every rule of science there is, has been found, understood, and proved."

Perhaps God DOES fit into the 'laws of science' as we will understand them in a few thousand years, supposing humaans live that long.


Also, how do you know that our 'rules of science' mean nothing?
How do I know I'm not the only entity in the Universe, thinking that you people are doing this?
I DONT.
I could be a dragon asleep on a starship flying through space, and I'm just in cryostasis, dreaming of weird things caled "humans" that believe dragons are impossible!
And in all kinds of weird 'laws' of 'science'!



Part of being a science fanatic doesn't mean being a close-minded freak to possibility.
Only close-minded freaks think that.
In fact, part of science as I understand it should encourage open-mindedness as to WHAT IS POSSIBLE AND WHAT IS NOT.

i dont like stem cell reasearch cuz of that Superman dude.. on South Park.. lol.. yes yes im sure thats not how they do it and all but that just creeps me out... and totally reversed my views on Stem Cell research.

ok, please stop arguing about relegion and post about GE.
Thank you!

and i read an article where they cloned a cat. the cloning didnt make an EXACT copy of the cat..in fact it was very different in behaviour and fur,body size etc... so if they do clone humans, the person might be very different from the original...IF they manage to clone a person.

Shinobooette, you are the one who brought up religion in the first place.

The bible says a lot of things... one of them being that women are less than men... another being that the sun revolves around the earth... im pretty sure it says the earth is flat too. Do you believe this? Of course not! If you do, theres something ing wrong with you. My point is, the bible is ing wrong and you cant (or shouldnt) listen to everything it says.

Do remember what cloning involes. You aren't taking an instance of a life and recreating that very same instance in a specific time, instead, you are make a new life from the beginning, where all life starts from: two cells merged. I haven't read anything about cloning, so I really don't know anything about this topic, but however, how would cloning differe from identical twins? Twins that start with the same egg + sperm, start to grow and THEN break off to form two lives instead of one? They would have the same genetics.

So if a soul only starts from conception, how would the twins thing work? Trying to prove the existance of God based on cloning would be illogical. You can NOT prove if your clone would have a soul.

If I cloned 10 of me, they wouldn't be the same person. It isn't possible because they all couldn't go through the same environmental factors that affect each of their upbringing.



That's kinda what you said in your last post Shin, the behavioral aspects will never be the same. However, I find it interesting that the cat didn't look the same. Perhaps because there is a bit of randomness in choosing what genes dominate over other genes? Like blue eyes dominate over brown, perhaps there is some genes where there is no domination...


Grow up.
The bible doesn't say any of those things.
Give me the biblical passages to prove yourself.

http://www.jimloy.com/pseudo/bible.htm

GG

That bible doesn't imply the sun revolves around the earth. That's just his interpetation of the story.

And what about women being less than men and the earth being flat?