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Originally I had a whole bunch of stuff that a ton of people had a problem with, so I relented and removed it. It's kind of funny though, because the truth is undeniable, and you denied it. More importantly I don't think you read everything, but you don't realize there are LIMITS on believing in God. I won't go any further now.

Undeniable facts:

Age of the Earth - The Earth is not 5,000 years old. It's closer to 4 billion, possibly more. Any evidence that you attempt to show to disprove this fact is a lie, Carbon dating proves it wrong. Even if there is some sort of evidence that contradicts Carbon dating, that so called evidence has been misinterpreted. It must have happened some other way, because Carbon dating does not lie.

The Big Bang THEORY - The Big Bang is a theory. There are many many versions of it, though the basic idea is that the Universe began with a Big Bang sending all matter outward into the void of space. This theory is generally accepted though not proven, and there are quite a few holes in it that need to be explained before it could be proven.

The THEORY of Evolution - Evolution is a theory. Micro-evolution is a well-known fact however, as it is possible for small changes in species to help them survive to occur. However, macro-evolution, the process of one species gradually becoming another, has never been observed, and probably never will be. Although there is a large amount of evidence supporting the theory, there are still many holes that need to be filled before it could be proven.

Spontaneous Generation - First off, Evolution doesn't require there to be no God. In fact, Evolution alone STILL requires a God. It just assumes that God did not cause the original life forms on Earth to become the species present on the Earth today. Spontaneous Generation, which has been disproven, is required to have happened at least once. Scientists believe they know how it could have happened once, and have come surprisingly close to CREATING LIFE in a laboratory through naturally occuring methods. However they have not succeeded.

The THEORY of God - Although a long accepted idea, this is just another theory. There is absolutely no proof of God, and you can't give any. The only way prove that God exists is to disprove Evolution.


Well, that's about all the preface knowledge I'm going to give out. Anything that is a well-known fact cannot and should not be denied here. If you want to intelligently discuss your views on God or the lack thereof, go right ahead.

This post is ed up beyond believe. You tell us to classify ourselves in your little catagories, which might prove somewhat helpful, but your catagories is pure bs and biased. Let me rip this apart for you:

At first, this made me laugh. However...
Pure creationism is in the 'amish' intelligence level? That's like two dissed in one. Somehow, our beliefs are primiative AND we are a dip ?


Who the hell thinks like this? Why even make this post more bulky by adding it here.


Gee, it would take a 'dip ' not to see the level of biasness in here.


How the hell...
Do you believe we totally disregard science because of the bible? You seriously need to get your facts right. 5000 years isn't necessarily a hard coded fact by any means.


Don't classify people and then try to diss them in the same classification, goes with all these posts.


You wanna start a post with "undeniable" facts? Trying to force your opponents into a debate to agree with some of your own opinions as facts is just stupid. That kills the very essence of a debate.


Okay, now, is this a 'let's talk about evolution only' or did you actually mean for this to be an evolution vs creationism debate? Seriously.


The thing is, it can't be proven. There's holes in evolution. Many holes. Wait, you say that, wow, impressive. However...


Wait, you say evolution needs a God, so... um... okay?

OK!!!..........wow
Are you stupid !! GREAT BULL !!!

I'm an Amish level intelligence because i believe in God? this is BULL : : 100% God made us, end of story....God made Adam and Eve, they populated the earth, they were primitive (the children) and they evolved

Amen

Classifications should have been left general without personal beliefs put into them.

Evolutionist
Creationist
Theoistic Evolutionist

If you were trying to somehow add all the subclasses of these types, you forgot:
Gaia
Reincarnaton
Gnostic
and many more. Plus, people who just don't care either way and don't align themselves with anyone (pure athetist)

I mainly included the classifications so that people like Zzealot- would be classified as idiots, who shouldn't post.

Anyway, the big thing about Evolution that makes it an acceptable theory is that the skeletal evidence.. or whatever. There's a name for it. Basically you can see how animals changed over time by looking at the remains of long dead animals. Take Giraffes for example, we can actually trace them back using skeletons to a time when Giraffes had very short necks. This might still qualify as micro-evolution, but then you have horses. Horses can be traced back via a similar route to small far different animals. It's like watching a flip book. It makes sense just like a flip book does. Lot's of seperated images can lead to a cohesive whole, hence the theory of evolution.

Where do I fit in, am I in the amish level intelligence? You should know where I fit by time travel.

ty admin, there are only 2 major "classifications" amish and intelligent, and he calls just about 4 billion of the people on earth amish level, because they believe a God made them, i doubt that 1 person can call 4 billion people wrong and idiots

I took everything down that I had, only because I think the topic might have died out if I had left it there. It was also too restricting, I would have had to add far too many new groups because there are simply too many combinations. However it is funny to see how many people are classified as Amish Level Intelligence. To believe whole heartedly in folklore and legends is quite an amazing thing to claim.. I suppose you same people cling to the idea of a Santa Claus-like God. God is not Santa Claus. If he exists he doesn't care what you think and he doesn't hear your prayers. To believe that you can pray to him and change the outcome of a football game or something similar is idiotic, this is a God which teach to children.

Basically... the Bible is not meant to be taken seriously. Those who do take it seriously are wrong. The bible is a collection of stories meant to teach moral values, nothing more. A flood that lasted 40 days and 40 nights? Never happened. Also, reincarnation is a lie. There are more people alive today than have ever died in the past.

I'll tackle any more claims you have when the time comes.

ADDITION: NeoNightmareX, you didn't even read my post. There were two acceptable types of people who believe in a God, and I still stand by that there are only those two. Also your figures are insanely inaccurate.

The point is some people just need facts to live with life itself... And, there are some people that just can't stand "theories" at all, so they literally create an all-over powerful God and there you go; Humanity explained.

Holy Crap. I cannot belive the level of stupidity in this thread.

Salacious, organic compounds have been created from non-organic compounds in laboratories that tried to recreate the environment that was thought before. If organic compounds are possible from non living materials, then so are cells. If cells are possible, then evolution and a very slow changing process into more advanced life forms.

Creationists-The idea of god sucks. Tell me, what is the only thing that fuels you to fully believe in him and how earth was created. Don't worry, I know the answer, it's faith. Well, if you show faith to him, I certainly don't see anything sent back to you.

Tell me how you can believe two people created 6 billion people in 6000 years and not even have one of those disorders. I forget what it's called, but when two parents of similar families have kids, the kids usually have a disorder than will give them a very hard time in learning and talking.

Cheeze, what do you think I meant by saying they've come close to creating life? They have created organic compounds, but so what? Even if that can occur naturally, they are't going to magically turn into cells. To blindly believe in that is lunacy. Not until they find a way for it to have occured naturally can you count it as fact.

And yes, believing the story of Adam and Eve is also lunacy. Once again, the bible is not meant to be taken literally. Those who do take it literally are wrong in their thinking. It is merely a collection of stories written by a number of different people in order to teach their religion and the values associated with it.

Organic molecules is all you need to create life. Since life doesn't exist and natural occuring events still happen, there is a chance of creating life. (Also, since there is nothing to measure time, time will basically keep "going" into infinite because nothing is there to actually record it. Therefore, any event that can happen will happen) Cells are created from these molecules after a lot of heat (lightning will do finie) in the environment ...changes it into a cell. Sorry about my information being so obscure but I haven't done much research into this. I do know it's possible.

The bible is a collection of stories that are cool. They do teach lessons. But seriously, staffs into snakes? Molten rocks from the sky? The plague of the first ones? What else is there...Water being blocked by nothing, talking snakes. Lolz0rs.

You're right. Psuedo cells. They don't actually DO anything. They aren't life, just inanimate matter. It's not the same thing. I think it would be a pretty big deal if they had actually created life in a laboratory. They haven't.

Also... your argument that literally ANYTHING can happen given enough time... Well let's see, will there ever be a race of people who can cast spells to turn people into frogs? No. Some things are impossible. Life naturally occuring *MAY* be one of these things. I don't know and I'm not going to blindly take a side until they suceed or fail.

Ok... how dumb can you get? Not to mention salacious editing his offensive post so i have no idea what half of the replies are about.

Anyway, look up cell in a science book sometime. The definition of organic material is something that is made up of cells. How the hell could they have made up organic material without creating cells? you are self contradictory. It seems to me you both completely made up ideas without any proof or knowledge, and they happen to oppose each other. Also, i highly doubt organic material has been created from inorganic material. link me please?

The books of all religions are biased. The bible was created with only the "good" stories, as were other books. The "Bad books", (or atleast copies of them) are contained in a private chamber accessible only by the pope.

Though i believe in an ultimate power, believing in the bible is idiocy. Someone obviously was before "adam and eve." Evolution has been proved on a major scale, as much as you prove anything atleast.

The big bang theory states that all matter was attracted by gravity into a big mass in the center of the universe. It most likely used energy provided, and then suddenly exploded. This caused matter to be sent outwards in all directions at a very high speed. Because of this, we can never catch up to this "edge", because it will always be moving outward.

I watched a show explaining 8 of the 10 plagues. Scientists could not imagine the other two however. They did explain the rest, and caused massive amounts of water to turn to blood (made them red) through natural combinations, as one i remember in particular.

Someone said adam and eve evolved? Okay, so they evolved. Why would an ultimate god create something imperfect for a given planet? why not create an ideal human for the lifestyle and climate of the planet?

Thats all.

I believe in every one of those theories except for the one about God.

God does it exist whether people choose to believe in it or not. If people dont believe in such a thing, then thats that. The only way they can realize whether god Exists or not is when you're dead (you'll either be in Heaven or Hell). Even if you do believe in God, you cant just simply have ALL of your prayers answered. Everything goes according to God's will, prayers arent for you to ask God for things, it's more of like talking with a friend. He only answers prayers from those with an honest and good heart. If someone prays just for the fun of it or to test God, he gets irritated. Only serious prayers will then God be able to answer. A prayer like "Dear God, please let me be able to take over the world" is NOT serious. You're right, there is no way to prove God's existance. However, if you look back at Earth's timelime, you'll see that Jesus lived and existed. He was the son of God and got crucified and came back to life.

I don't have any links to this, it's just what I learned from an incredibly intelligent man in my 9th grade Biology class. Scientists have managed to create organic material (things that compose the makeup of a cell) such as DNA, and other things I can't remember. If you know what a cell is made up of you could know all those things. They have also TRIED to get these things to combine into a single living cell, but they have been unable to create a living organism. Although they have been able to create organic materials by recreating the natural conditions of the Earth 3 Billion years ago (Which is as far back as we've found imprints of cells in rocks; I believe the figure is correct),

Faz-, basically I had said that people who believe literally in the Bible are of "Amish Level" intelligence. Apparently I underestimated the underlying stupidity of people.

ADDENDUM: You can't know that Jesus really did that. Although he was without a doubt a real person, there is no evidence to suggest he was actually the son of God. You also realize that the two other major religions, Judaism and Islam don't believe that Jesus was the son of God, but merely a prophet. To automatically claim that he was so is pure ignorance.

ALSO: CheeZe put up an interesting question. He asked me if everything in the Bible is true, how many people go to Heaven and how many people go to Hell? Well by defintion, acting human at all is going to send you straight to Hell. That means 100% of the dead population is burning in Hell, assuming you believe that. Don't deny that, it's a fact.

question, i dont no much yet so idk lol. but if there is adam and eve, how the did native americans,blacks,mexicans,chineese,japeneese,retards,gaywods, other appear in the world?

Evolution can actually be the reason for this.
Whether or not it was Adam and Eve does not matter. Black skinned was better for Africa. Yellow for Asia, White for Europe who moved to Americas.

To further disprove the idiots who believe in literal interpretation of the Bible, I have an interesting storie about personal choices:

There was this incredibly awesome, nice guy who was in a mining accident when a metal shaft impaled him up through his jaw out the top of his skull. Amazingly he lived. Sadly he had transformed into a psychotic because of the part of his brain that was affected. Everything you do is based on the pre-determined functions of your brain. You have no free will, that's merely an illusion. So how can God condemn people to Hell or Heaven if everything you do is entirely his fault.

Owned some more, and I don't even see any responses yet.

You either go to heaven or hell based on one thing: do you have faith in God?

Even if a man does experience something similar to that of your story sala, if he was a believer in god he'd go to heaven. If not, hell. Yes it does say in the Bible that all of us humans sin and must go to hell. But then that's why God sent Jesus down to Earth. He purposly had Jesus planned to be Crucified and to die for our sins. It's because of his death for our sins that we can go to heaven. All we gotta do to go to heaven is to believe whether or not Jesus did this.

Now for the Jews, here's whats happened. When the jewish people back in the time of jesus were crucifying Jesus, Pontus Pilate really found nothing wrong with him and didnt want him crucified. However the stupid jewish people kept ranting "CRUCIFY, CRUCIFY, CRUCIFY!" And so Pilate washed his hands in front of the crowd and said "I am not guilty of this man's blood." The jews responded, "his blood will be on us, and all of our descendents!" And so apparently, all these things are happening to Jews, for instance the Holocaust.

And for the Muslims, they do believe that Jesus was son of God, but also that because he was "crucified," he failed to spread word of God. And so then here comes Muhammad, the next prophet. It's based upon his teachings in which Islam forms its roots over.

You do realize that most serial killers who are locked up in prison believe in God. Do they go to Heaven? Also if that expeirence happened to someone their belief in God could disappear.

Wow, do you actually believe that stuff about the Jews saying that? Your literal interpretation of the Bible is sad and pathetic. Not to mention your facts about Islam are wrong.

I'm I the only one supporting SaLaCiouS(U)?!
U GUYS ARE STOOPID CR@XS!!! RETARTED ASS CHRISTIANITY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
ALL WITH RACISTISM!!!!!!!!!!!!! DOWN WITH REST!!!!!

GOD IS JUST A MYICAL THING!!!
40 DAYS AND NIGHTS?!?!!!!! WTF?! THEY WERE JUST EXAGERATING IT!
NO WAY IT COULD OF BEEN THAT LONG!
YOU CAN NOT PROVE THAT THEIR IS A GOD!!!! AND THEIR IS NO ADAM AND EVE!
OR SOME GARDEN!!!! THATS ALL A F-IN LIE!!!! THEIR JUST STORIES!!!
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!! ALL IT IS, ITS JUST TEACHING YOU TO DO GOOD THINGS AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT!!! NOT ALL THIS OTHER CRAP!!!

Stop making me look bad