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Should the phrase, "Under God," in the pledge of allegiance be taken out?

Personally i don't think it should be taken out because it has been in it for quite some time now. Also if kids do not want to say that part in the morning then they have the right not to. Most kids are disrespectful anyways and don't say the whole thing.


Do you think the phrase, "In god we trust," should be taken aff of all the currency we have?

I think we should keep it. I mean it is against the constitution or law or w/e it is that church and state must be separated. Our founding fathers want it the way it is so, it should stay.

Tell me what you think..............................

I think they should be gone.
It hardly matters, but first of all, it's kind of stupid to say "Seperation of Church and State" if in school and on our currency there's mentions of God, who in any case is not the universally main-person in all religions, and part of what's supposed to make America so great is freedom of religion.

That second part hardly matters also, but still, I say that the mentions of God should be removed.

All religon should be removed from public places and schools it doesnt belong there.

Could you expand a little.

The function of public school in America is not to teach theology, it's to teach science. From the point of view of a skeptic and most scientists, only things we have learned from preexisting evidence can be called scientific. In the case of theology, any evidence "found" is made to relate to it. Theology isn't an idea that's been developed evidence, it's based around faith. Attempts to prove any and all theology have failed time and again because it's not supported by physical evidence. Theology and dogma are not conclusions that have been drawn from careful scientific obsevation, rather observation is used as an attempt to justify theology. That just isn't how science works.

The option of "just not saying" the word "God" in the Pledge of Alliegance is totally implausible. Rather, students should be given the option to say the Plegde itself, on their own time. No extra time (a privelige) should be given to students who want to say the Pledge, that's discrimination against those who don't say it. Now, if the Pledge included no references to theology and religion, I still wouldn't want it to be a required part of a school's curriculum because it teaches blind, unquestioning obedience to one's country. But that's a whole different issue.

yes, they do have the right not to. however, knowing that most kids are disrespectful, you should also realize that if they're given the option to do so or not, until they reach an age where patriotism is better understood, they just won't bother saying it all. giving the option not to won't solve the problem (which is really how it can be arranged or even re-written so that there's no reason any citizen shouldn't be able to say it rather than specifically taking the mention of 'god' out).

the pledge is really an amazing piece, regardless of the fact that i don't believe 'under god' should be in there-but it is. i consider it holding to a tradition of our country, neverminding the mention of the god, but other citizens of a different religion don't agree with me. our forefathers have recited this and, with respect to them, it shouldn't be such a shame to recite it.

Separation of church and state is not in either constitution nor declaratoin of independance... of course there is the *paraphrased* "Church should not interfere with the state" If you dont belevie me, search it in the documents and show me

In other words, church should not rule nor be a major influence, but this country was build on the christian religeon.

Does that mean that we should be required to give homage to the Christian faith? Why not just say, "One nation, built under the guidance of our forefathers" or something like that. If people feel like reading religion into it, then they should go right ahead. But you're not required to say that phrase in a religious manner.

True, true.
"I still wouldn't want it to be a required part of a school's curriculum because it teaches blind, unquestioning obedience to one's country. But that's a whole different issue."
Again, true.

I completely agree with you Nozumu.
When I see your ava/sig, I think of Revelade for some reason... 0_o

Also, it hasnt' been in that long. it was added in 1952. It should definately be taken out.

I recite the Pledge word-for-word every day at school, but I really don't make that big a deal out of the "under God" part; I just say it and go on with my life without having to worry about it at all.

I dont say it because i really dont meann what i say... its jsut reciting from memory and i'd rather not say it than say it without meaning

How does the pledge even go. Im just curious, as Im not American.

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Religion is a touchy topic today. Personally, I believe religion should NOT be allowed in public; feel free to practice any religion IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME, or holy place. Just MY opinion.

Religion has played a HUGE part in history, that's one of the contributing factors for putting it in the pledge, and on our currency.

They should both say, I'm christian

They're gonna stay, because it's SOOOO much easier to keep it, than change it, and go through re-printing, and all that junk.

'Never thought about that Nuke!

Well, that's one way of looking at it. Laziness can be a powerful thing.

Personally, I beleive it is going to stay. There would be too much of an uproar if it was going to change, and It would take to much work to have everyone convert to the "updated" pledge of allegence. This was the same reason that America chose to not change to metric. Too much work for seemingly too little of a gain. They just didn't want to do the work.

I personally do not care either one way or another if the words "under god" stay or are taken out. No president (or other government official) has ever made a decision for their church just because of the two little words. I am an athiest too, and yet don't mind the two unimportant words.

In fact, I find the whole pledge of allegence unmeaningful. The only times you are required to say it is in elementary school, and those times I didn't even know what it meant.

Oh, yeah, it's going to be kept because it's easier. Good reasoning there. That's probably one of the more ignorant statements I've ever read...

Re-printing of what, might I ask?

The reprinting of money, that's what. Laziness is actually one of the dumbest reasons for keeping it, now that I think of it.

And all of the signs on the walls/etc, people would have to buy more... (for school)

The Pledge of Allegiance and our currency are entirely different issues. This is about people being forced to say things with which they disagree. But reading words with which you happen to disagree is entirely different. No one requires you to say "In God We Trust". Though really, if people did trust God to be fair and just, they wouldn't see a need to write anything like that.

well i for one is an Antidisastablishmentaryanismist (lol i just used the longest real word in the dictionary)but i do not think that we should change what our founding fathers have written on paper and has been preached for hundreds of years because thats would be unreasonable and just because the constitutuion is changed at least 7 years for like the last 50 years doesnt mean we have to and i very much disagree with changing it

I don't see why leaving it in hurts anyone; if you don't want to say it, you don't have to. There's no point in changing something that's been around for years, and hasn't caused any problems before.