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Report, edit, etc...Posted by DoomPenguin on 2004-12-05 at 17:54:03
This topic should be interesting...

Anyway, by psionics, I mean phychic abilities like telepathy, telekenisis, etc. So, what are you guy's beliefs on this? Ever experienced, or had a friend who experienced anything phychic?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-12-05 at 18:27:40
Psychic_Genius

Hes psychic

And its spelled psychic not phychic
I want to learn it... biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vibrator on 2004-12-05 at 19:37:54
You are sane?... right?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-12-05 at 20:31:43
I try biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2004-12-06 at 08:38:30
I was about to make a post on "What special ability would you want to gain?"...
Anyways...
Well... if you are a christian, almost all power such as those would be satanic... such as um... possessive writting, I forget the exact name of it (clear your mine and allow a spirit enter your body and allow them to sketch out pictures). It's definitely real but the nature of it is evil.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RyanEdwardLee on 2004-12-06 at 09:45:51
Psionics eh? if your asking me if i think they exist i say maybe, because sometimes i know something is gonna happen before it happens either it is sheer dumb luck or i am pyshic (butchered that word) but yeah, i do believe every now and then they do exist, and i have had a few expereinces when i knew something was gonna happen before it did, like when my mom got into a car wreak, i just felt like something was wrong the whole day before i found out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2004-12-06 at 10:10:47
Mom's usually have this internal instinct when their kid is in trouble/hurt/etc... somewhat along the lines of what you are saying... I wouldn't call that pyshic/psionics though
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sinister_X on 2004-12-06 at 10:53:39
when i was little i read a book on how to gain telapathy unfortunitly it didnt work wink.gif but just imagine have such power to move things with your mind no one would be able to stop you
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-12-06 at 12:50:18
No one has ever been proven to have psychic ability in the standard double-blind tests used by scientists. Check out The James Randi Educational Foundation and Skeptic Report for some more info.

You guys should try out skeptical thinking sometime, you just might like it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-12-06 at 14:52:55
Psychic abilities are not always on command... they could be stressed induced...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DoomPenguin on 2004-12-06 at 17:23:45
I waiting for someone to post the Randi link =P

About the psionics=satanic thing, I don't think the nature of it is evil... Unless your doing crazy witchcraft stuff that involves chanting some dark spell to summon some sort of demon (I don't think believe in that crazy stuff, btw).

Anyway, recently (a few months ago), I found a psychic community, and decideded to make an account to check it out (This one, if your wondering). After reading the articles there, and hanging around in the chat, I found out it's not all that crazy. The members of the community were pretty sane (relatively), and the articles were logical (as far as phychic abilities articles go, anyway).

So, I decided 'What the heck', and tested some of this stuff out. I "successfully" made a psiball (a ball made of psychic energy), meaning I cound feel tingling, warmth, and sometimes a magnetic push/pull where I moved the ball. I also could "program" the ball, making it hot or cold. I didn't suceed in telekinesis, but I did have some telepathy experiences (random ones). Also, I have had a few lucid dreams (dreams where you know you are dreaming), and have come close to having an out of body experience (insanely unbelievable experiences where it seems your spirit floats out of your body).

What does this prove? Not much, it wouldn't prove anything in a lab test. I just did this to see if it was actually possible, and it proved somewhat to me that it is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-12-06 at 21:00:14
I went there... and i've come close to an OBE (out of body experiance) and im going to try tonight... biggrin.gif wish me luck!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2004-12-06 at 21:49:49
QUOTE(Nozomu)

Ah, the man who has a one million dollar offer to anyone who can prove they have paranormal abilities. Many have tried, ALL have failed. Surprise, surprise...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DoomPenguin on 2004-12-07 at 16:48:28
QUOTE(DrunkenWrestler @ Dec 6 2004, 09:49 PM)
QUOTE(Nozomu)

Ah, the man who has a one million dollar offer to anyone who can prove they have paranormal abilities. Many have tried, ALL have failed. Surprise, surprise...
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Can you disprove something based only on the fact that no one can prove it themselves?

Then there's 'Why can't they prove it?'. I don't know, but honestly, there's not a lot of good, solid, 100% believable-to-skeptics proof out there. So, if that's your thing, eh... Another thing is people (psipog community people) don't seem interested in proving the exsistance of psionics for a million dollars.


Goodluck to Kow. And goodluck to me, OBE's are hard =\
Report, edit, etc...Posted by T.s.u.k.a.s.a on 2004-12-07 at 17:12:02
I am Roman Catholic. I believe in and practice psionics. I have had a first-hand experience with psionics. I am not psychically gifted. I am a member of PSI POG. Anyone cand practice psionics under two conditions:
1. They firmly believe in it.
2. They practice often and do not give up.

If you do not believe, you cannot do it. If you believe in it, the sky is your limit (literally, because of levitation).

I do not believe in everything the church says. I do not aknowledge the Vatican. The gospel of Saint Thomas states that "The kingdom of God is within you, about you, and all around you. Break a piece of wood and you will find me. Lift a stone and I am there." Thius gospel was said by Jesus and removed from the New Testament because the Vatican consiedrs it heresy. Fact: 2/3 of the New Testament are fabricated. Psionics, like anything else, can be used for both good and evil. I can use a knife to cut my food or to stab someone. I can use a tootbrush to brush my teeth or kill someone (it is possible). The church is aginst contacting the dead or using uuigi boards because you might get a response from an evil spirit or entity or misinterpret the message.

I feel that psionics, contacting the dead, predicting the future is okay, but you do it at your own risk. I myself also use uuigi techneques to predict lottery numbers (at least 3 numbers every time, buyah). I read people's minds and emotions (5 times succesful). I have had one first-hand paranormal experience (a ghost was messing with my house). Lights were going crazy in good weather, other electronics were malfunctioning (that is why I have no pics, since I have a digital camera), and eveyone felt an angry presence. Other paranormal things have happened to me as well. I went to see several shrinks, and it turns out that I have an emotional problem but am perfectly sane.

Like I said before, I'm a member of PSI POG. I have made a pis ball, read minds, used telekenisis, predicted the future in my dreams, and shielded my self. My mom has a maternal instinct like most others. She can tell whether I have a good or bad day before I come home from school, she can tell if I am injured or in trouble. It is a psionic link between the mother and child. Intuition and instincts also have to do with psionics.

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-12-07 at 17:41:09
*Kow made a semi-psi ball! biggrin.gif
Are those pics yours?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ferral on 2004-12-07 at 18:00:08
Psionics? Sure, I'm open minded. Of course, if you think of ghosts, one could relate that Psionics, and Ghosts could be linked... Ghost could be a lot of Psionic resadue, resen etc., those words got messed up :\ anyways, I believe in it, sometimes I have dreams of what will happen some random place in the future, then when it happens, [by then I have usually forgotten the dream] I get a feelin of DeJaVu

E.D. -
Where are yall makin' these 'balls'? I can't find it sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-12-07 at 19:14:04
http://www.psipog.net/articles.php?cat=201

Here
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ferral on 2004-12-07 at 20:25:29
Thank you Kow smile.gif

I draw my powerz from sc!!! j/k lol.

I'll have to give yall my results later.. hunting down the forums right now tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-12-08 at 00:34:29
QUOTE(DoomPenguin @ Dec 7 2004, 05:48 PM)
Can you disprove something based only on the fact that no one can prove it themselves?

Then there's 'Why can't they prove it?'. I don't know, but honestly, there's not a lot of good, solid, 100% believable-to-skeptics proof out there. So, if that's your thing, eh... Another thing is people (psipog community people) don't seem interested in proving the exsistance of psionics for a million dollars.
Goodluck to Kow. And goodluck to me, OBE's are hard  =\

No one is disproving anything. The people who are psychic are the ones who are making the claim that they have paranormal powers. They are required to prove themselves for a skeptic to believe them.

There is absolutely no evidence of paranormal activity ever happening in a controlled environment. To me, that's not proof that paranormal things can't happen. It is, however, proof that the person who was tested for the ability is either a liar or is self-delusional.

Oh, yeah, like they don't need the million dollars. Well, why not take the challenge just to prove Randi wrong? They certainly have a bone to pick with him. If they ever proved anything to him, he'd get off their backs and let them practice in peace. That's a much larger incentive than a million dollars. Oh, yeah, like they're too important to take a test that would benefit their entire community if they passed. Hmm... On the other hand, maybe they just can't do it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Bacde on 2004-12-08 at 20:19:15
I personally tried to make a psi-ball. I still question whether it was real or not, and whether I am doing anything besides looking like an idiot by myself (except to my dog).

However, my dog is really old (and blind and deaf and stupid) so it came to my mind to try and "move him". That didn't really work. Perhaps If I practice more tommorow I can actually convince myself one way or the other.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by phlemhacker99 on 2004-12-09 at 19:45:10
You could be trying for a long time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2004-12-09 at 20:28:36
Tsukasa no offense but just becuase you can bend a fork (not hard) in odd ways (again not hard) doesn't mean your a psionic. I saw a guy on TV (skinny little bastard too) bend a frying pan so much you couldnt tell what it was except for the handle--WITH HIS BARE HANDS. He also bent a 5 inch thick block of iron into an amorphous glob or metal. Hey that psiball thing is really easy to do. Its effects are like a mind placebo, you actually think you are doing something so the mind thinks it too, therefore it creates some way for it to actually think it's doing it and you get the desired effects. Alot of this stuff HAS been proven wrong and many of it was false to begin with (oiuga boards).

Heres how oiuga boards work. This was proven with 200 fram/sec cameras slowed down and electrodes recording muscle pulses and electric pulses trough the arm. Basically the person asked a quest and as soon as the marker started moving, a muscle twitch happened. The marker stopped and continued in perfect sync of muscle twitches. Thats it.

I practice mind placebo's (mind over matter) alot. I can trick myself into thinking I'm not hurt, trick myself into thinking its warm (thats how I'm so cold resistant) and I can fall asleep within 20 seconds out of nowhere.

It's all how you trick your mind.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-12-09 at 20:33:38
Then practicing psi is not bad? If it helps with your mind placebo's. And oiuga boards bring unknown entities into your life... but belive what you want to belive.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2004-12-09 at 20:46:25
No what I'm saying is the psionics doesn't help with mind over matter. It IS mind over matter. You're bending your own will to trick your brain into thinking that something is happening when it's not.
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