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Report, edit, etc...Posted by aE[master] on 2005-01-07 at 18:52:53
I Belive everyones future is written. have you heard the phrase "Everything did happen for a reason". well regardless on how you look at it, if you try to change the future, it would just come out as planned, at the same time, only in a different way.
I belive this because of de-ja-vo's (A moment of which happens, then at a later time happens again). Some people get them in dreams. Hasn't anyone Seen their own future in their dreams? The future will happen in a precise order will you like it or not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by pekkel_the_duck on 2005-01-07 at 18:59:08
Yes, that is what I would call coincidence, the name of power card # 435.89
Report, edit, etc...Posted by noisuk on 2005-01-07 at 19:02:27
That would be so awsome, I do think that the future is now cuz like if I say i'm doing this in 5 minutes then I do it I went from the past to the future, every minute added is going to the future!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-01-07 at 19:41:05
QUOTE(aE[master] @ Jan 7 2005, 05:52 PM)
I Belive everyones future is written.  have you heard the phrase "Everything did happen for a reason". well regardless on how you look at it, if you try to change the future, it would just come out as planned, at the same time, only in a different way.
I belive this because of de-ja-vo's (A moment of which happens, then at a later time happens again). Some people get them in dreams. Hasn't anyone Seen their own future in their dreams? The future will happen in a precise order will you like it or not.
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More than anyone else I know. I see the future in my dreams. When I was 8 is when they were most vivid. For a period of months I would know some of what happened the next day (a few seconds here and there) and it freaked me out.

But now it's just something I can't remember as hard as I try when I wake up. And then the event happens and I remember the dream clearly afterwords.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by High on 2005-01-07 at 19:52:13
THE FUTURE

Yes, see, the future is written biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-01-07 at 20:52:37
Why didnt i think of that?! huh.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by aE[master] on 2005-01-07 at 21:08:33
It just came to me one day, i thought of it. i just woke up and had seen teh future, only this was 7 years into the future. i was in highschool, and in my dream, i had no idea who anyone was. i was 9 at the time, but i saw that image a few days, go.

so i thought of it , The future is written, or else why would we see these things?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2005-01-07 at 21:44:20
I call it fate.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-01-07 at 23:54:11
What makes you think the future is "written"? It's not like some mystical force is controlling what happens to you. What you consider to be a mystical force may or may not be just a series of reactions to stimuli to which your brain responds automatically. I don't know too much about the dreams part, but human memory is a very malleable thing. Deja vu could very easily be a delusion based on wishful thinking. I just don't see why "destiny" and "predetermination" have to come into play here... It seems like you're applying humanistic terms to the natural forces of cause and effect because you want things to seem more important than they are. But hey, that's just a skeptic's opinion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2005-01-08 at 02:54:31
The future doesnt exist, all events that will happen have already happened. All events both past and present are happening simultaneously every second that goes by. The "present" is simply where your consciousness happens to be at the moment. Then again "now" doesnt exist either, because as soon as you think about it its already the past.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by aE[master] on 2005-01-08 at 09:28:24
The future is written because sometimes we can se it happen. in your dreams, mayb your brain gets a sesne perception that lets you see what might happen. But the FACT is that if we can see it in our dreams, that emans the future is written.regardless of what anyone says.

You may try to change the future, but mayb i "had" to make this post for you to read it, so u can try to change, This was all apose to happen, one way oor anther.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2005-01-08 at 10:23:32
Did someone say Deja vu?

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]The future is written because sometimes we can se it happen.

Fallacy of affirming the consequence.

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"Everything did happen for a reason"

This is more along the lines of folk wisdom than a scientific hypothesis. It fails to be a scientific because it doesn't make any risky predictions, instead it predicts things "as they already are."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2005-01-08 at 10:38:11
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I belive this because of de-ja-vo's (A moment of which happens, then at a later time happens again). Some people get them in dreams. Hasn't anyone Seen their own future in their dreams? The future will happen in a precise order will you like it or not.

Do you mean deja vu? From my understanding, that means "Believing you've previously been in the same situation, as triggered by a vision or sound." I've had many accounts of this, but never really thought anything of it. I'm also of the belief that your dreams interpret your deepest emotions. So to see the future in dreams is literally hopeful thinking in my mind.

QUOTE(Deja vu's Definition)
dé·jà vu
n.
1. Psychology. The illusion of having already experienced something actually being experienced for the first time.
2. An impression of having seen or experienced something before.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by aE[master] on 2005-01-08 at 11:57:04
The future is not science. and i have misspeed that word, because i didnt know how to spell it. not even spell checker gave it right.

look you guys may htink its wishful thinking, BUT why does it REALLY happen if its just wishful thinking. if u say its wishful thinking, then it shouldnt happen. Get the facts stright, if u dream it and it happens, its the future.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2005-01-08 at 12:09:29
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look you guys may htink its wishful thinking, BUT why does it REALLY happen if its just wishful thinking.

Because it doesn't really happen. The idea of deja vu is that you think you've been in a certain place before and recognize it. It has nothing to do with prophesy. The emphasis is on the "think." You have no proof that you remember being in some area or seeing it at one point, you just think that you have.

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if u say its wishful thinking, then it shouldnt happen. Get the facts stright, if u dream it and it happens, its the future.

There is no proof that any of this is true, so we can't get any facts straight. If I dream it and it happens, its a coincedence.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by aE[master] on 2005-01-08 at 14:17:07
hey if a "coincedence" happens more than 1 time. then it is spose to happen.It is a given experiance, but tis a experiance that we yet to fu-fill. There maybe no proof, do no why? its simple, you cant record a dream, then have a video camera with u taping everywhere u go tryingh ot proove this. that owuld be madness. Regardless of what you think, it is no coincedence. its the future. your future.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oni-Sei on 2005-01-08 at 14:45:38
iwould have to dissagree and agree becasue i have had De ja vu a lot (ths usualy happens around when a person is going through puberty as someone said)

i had a dream and i did exactly what happend the next day im like ... what the hell (i was putting a puzzle togeather) so when it was time to stop im like WTF! i put this peace in the exact same spot as my dream so im like damn man! so i moved it thus meaning we can controll our futures!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by StarEditron 4000 on 2005-01-08 at 15:13:04
I have an example:

Let's say you have a dream late at night about you waking up, going to the living room, and have your house set on fire because you toasted your pop-tarts all wrong. You wake up, say OH S**T! You then realize if you eat pop-tarts that morning, you are a dead man. So you don't, and though you saw your death, you might have actually died. Something (or Someone?) probably sees us straying from the written path and "guides" us back to the "written" path, aka WRITTEN FUTURE!

So if the future was not written, there would be no need for "visions" like that, and you would die! Probably...

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Maybe we don't die for a reason? Maybe we're important?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by aE[master] on 2005-01-08 at 15:14:54
We do control our futures, but our futures led us here, to read and type in this forum, you can contorl your future but it wont stop it from the future to be completed on its written corse.

everyone tpying in this forum, was led here by destiny, hence our future
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-01-08 at 15:33:50
Past, Present and Future have no actual meaning. You could stop or at least severely slow down time for yourself.

Here's a dilemma for you:

Suppose you were watching a star implode into a black hole from thousands of miles away - you would see it collapse to a pinprick of light and then into blackness in the blink of an eye. After that, all you'd be able to see is the 'empty' region of space that is the black hole.

Now, suppose you were on the surface of that star as it imploded. You would see the star collapse until it reached a certain critical diameter (I think it's 300m for a normal star), at which point you would experience an infinite timewarp. Time would stop - you would be frozen in time for eternity. You would see the events in the outside Universe pass by in the blink of an eye and then...who knows? You would reach the end of time instantaneously, which is very unsettling.

Of course, the observer thousands of miles away would just see the star collapse into a black hole and go on with their life as normal.

So, to summarise - if you are on the surface of a collapsing star (just an example) then the star would never become a black hole.

If you are a long way away from the star, then it does become a black hole.

Weird, huh? It means that time is not a solid concept, and that the same events don't happen at the same time all across the Universe.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-01-08 at 16:49:02
I don't believe in fate, destiny, all that stuff. There can't be anyone with more control over my life, and my actions than ME! Teh bun-bun is the only person that can make him do ANYTHING!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TSoldier_Wol[f] on 2005-01-08 at 17:50:18
QUOTE(aE[master] @ Jan 7 2005, 06:52 PM)
I Belive everyones future is written.  have you heard the phrase "Everything did happen for a reason". well regardless on how you look at it, if you try to change the future, it would just come out as planned, at the same time, only in a different way.
I belive this because of de-ja-vo's (A moment of which happens, then at a later time happens again). Some people get them in dreams. Hasn't anyone Seen their own future in their dreams? The future will happen in a precise order will you like it or not.
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There was a topic called Dreams or something like that, I posted in it. About 90% of my dreams come true, But somehow, everytime I dream, I'll know if it will come true or it won't come true. I don't know why, I do what my dreams shows me too, Cause, I do know it will happen even if I tried to make a diffence. I think it's really werid though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2005-01-08 at 17:53:06
Master, as long as you have no proof that any dreams can tell the future, then you have no basis for your arguement. You're using your thoughts as evidence, and what you think you remember.

I had a dream once that I was sitting and having a conversation with a small boy I knew in a garbage dumpster full of dead babies. Is that going to predict my future? What about the one I had where alien life was discovered and all organized religion imploded over night? Is that going to happen? And my other dream where some pictures of Bush snorting coke at a frat party and documents proving Laura Bush had an abortion surface making his supporters completely turn on him? To me, dreams mean censored.gif . They are just images that we produce in our heads.

When I wake up and have really weird dreams, I usually write them down to remember them. But they're all so impossible that I doubt any of them could happen. But you're the expert, you tell me if I've seen the future.

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As long as no proof exists, you can't be certain. This would just be like if I told you to prove that a God exists...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-01-08 at 19:16:16
QUOTE(TSoldier_Wol[f] @ Jan 8 2005, 06:50 PM)
There was a topic called Dreams or something like that, I posted in it. About 90% of my dreams come true, But somehow, everytime I dream, I'll know if it will come true or it won't come true. I don't know why, I do what my dreams shows me too, Cause, I do know it will happen even if I tried to make a diffence. I think it's really werid though.
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Have you ever thought about subjecting your magical power to a scientific test? Write down every "true" dream that you experience before it comes true, like the morning after you have it. Write down every detail you can remember. If it happens exactly the way you described in your transcription, then yup, you're magical. But I bet you'll find that many details are different between your dream and what actually happened. Don't take my word for it, try it out for yourself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2005-01-08 at 21:10:28
QUOTE(aE[master)
]Get the facts stright, if u dream it and it happens, its the future.


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hey if a "coincedence" happens more than 1 time. then it is spose to happen.It is a given experiance, but tis a experiance that we yet to fu-fill. There maybe no proof, do no why? its simple, you cant record a dream, then have a video camera with u taping everywhere u go tryingh ot proove this. that owuld be madness. Regardless of what you think, it is no coincedence. its the future. your future.


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everyone tpying in this forum, was led here by destiny, hence our future


Possible explainations for such phenomena:


  • There's a glitch in the Matrix.

  • We're in a Sims game and the computer is slightly faulty.

  • Solipsism - The entire universe is just a by-product of your imagination. Nothing is real, it's all just in your head.

  • Nothing in the past prior to 7:40pm ever transpired, the entire universe just popped into existence 5 minutes ago with even our memories of "earlier" events intact. I never typed this post, I just remember doing it and my finger prints are on the keyboard.

  • Your alleged soul just sneezed, and dejavu is the result.

  • Goddidit.

  • Zeus is playing with your mind.

  • An attempt from beings from another dimenion trying to contact us.

  • The future has already been written.

  • None of the above.



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everyone tpying in this forum, was led here by destiny, hence our future

Or by chance. Again, like the Christian psuedoscientifc theory of intelligent design, you simply predict things as they already are. If you think you have a valid theory, you create a scientific model that can predict what can happen in the future (pun somewhat intended). In physics, a scientific model is usually in the form of a mathematical equation. Otherwise, your theory is just as good as the alternative theories I listed.

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hey if a "coincedence" happens more than 1 time. then it is spose to happen.

One time I thought about my friend, and he called me while I was thinking of him. The same thing happened a week later. I think of him, and then he calls me. Since this occured more than 1 time, am I really physic, or were those just coincidences?

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Get the facts stright, if u dream it and it happens, its the future.

But you probably have dreamed a million dreams by now. Is it really suprising if one dream ended up becoming true? If Miss Cleo makes 1 in every 500 physic readings, would you really be convinced she has phsyic abilities?

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]I posted in it. About 90% of my dreams come true, But somehow, everytime I dream, I'll know if it will come true or it won't come true. I don't know why

I'd say it's just confirmation bias on your part. We're all guilty of that.
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