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Sometimes I ask myself, Why am I a Catholic? The most logical answer that comes to my mind is I was submited into that religion without my knowledge. I made the First Comunion and they said that now I'm a loyal servant of God and stuff like that and I didn't feel nothign after that. I mean I only did it because my parents wanted to and I really didn't know what I was getting myself into.

Now that I am older, more mature, rational, capable and studied 18th century thinking I have come to the following conclusion:

The church talks about Free-Will and that anyone can do whatever they want while not breaking the Ten Commandments and the laws. We hear all this Free-Will and we must be loyal to God to the death but I ask this: I never really did conclude that I wanted to be a Catholic, I was a Catholic the day I was born, during the days I could not think rationally, the day I did not know idealistic concepts about religion and most of all the day no one understood me because I could not speak.

I've always thought myself of sort of an Atheist. To me everything in existence revolves around complex mathematical sciences which explain the Universe. When I start thinking about Religion and how everything was created, most of the time it seems really illogical and science has even proven wrong and history has proven that the actions many churches make are wrong. But when I need somekind of Hope or special kind of help I always look up to something like God.

So I ask myself why should we be admited into a religion we did not choose to?
Why can't they wait for people to be older and let them decide which religioin is best?
Why can't they admit their Bible and Church teachings are Wrong?
Why can't they stop judging other religions when theirs has the same kind of flaws?
And most of all, Why can't the church let people rationalize on their own and figure out whats best for them and not get told around by the ancient and many time scientifically proven wrong teachings?

You would not be born a Catholic. That's like saying you were born to work at McDonalds. You were young and impressionable. The worst mistake would be to stay being a Catholic because that's what you've done you're whole life.

You became a catholic because as you said, your parents are.

I am not christian because my parents are. I was wiccan for three years of my life. Aye, I'm a born again christian, but it had nothing to do with my parents.


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You judge all christians in that statement alone by saying that I would judge you based on your religon. That's ing bull , and hypocritical.



Part of the Catholic church as I know it is that there is one translation, and that is the pope's. Protestants see differently, and see the bible as there for translation.

Well, My folks don't really care what religton I will go into, they gave me the choice to pick, I'll only pick what my Future Wife's religtion is, But, most comrades here are Mormons, so I have a high chance of marrying a girl that is Mormon. My folks their Mormons, they don't care what religtion that I'm in. But, Most of my comrades say the samething, Join our religtion it's better then this or that. They just don't get it, I'm a communist, Communists don't belief god,

Communist: Someone who supports Communism,

Communism: Country First, Family 2nd. Doesn't belief in god.

Demos: Family first, Country 2nd. Believes in god.

um which? do you know what a wiccan is?

Isn't it witchcraftish?

yea, it is.

Sorry for the delayed reply, I was writing a pretty long reply the other night in the very thread and my power went out.



By they I don't mean All Christians, I meant people who discriminate against religioin, when I wrote that post I was kinda of in a hurry.

U weren't born a Catholic. U can only become a true catholic after u get confirmed

( I think...)

That's the thing about catholicism. They have all sorts of messed up things which the bible does not tell u is required. For instance, Buying people out of hell, paying tribute so you dont go to hell, being automatically admitted into christianity without you choosing so, and stuff. That's why they formed things like the protestant thing where it tries to correct the wrong stuff catholicism is doing. So that's why im baptist.

How can you buy your way out of Hell. Is there some universal currency? I mean, just by that your religion is all split up. Ah, you can buy your way out with U.S. dollars here, but over there you have to pay Euros so you're not damned. I think religion is funny.

What Millennium said is true, the more money you give to the Catholic Church the more "chances" you have to go to heaven or be "saved" from going to hell.

The thing is why should we get baptized or First Communion when we don't even know what are we getting ourselves into. It's like asking your 5yr old little brother wether or not he likes blondes. They don't know anything about because they don't show interest and they don't understand.

I say wait until the child has decided which religion he want to be in, not obligate him to go with their parent.

FK & TSoldier: Your parents might let you choose which religion you want to be in but others want you no matter what to be in their religioin. Then if you want to go to another one, they say that you are a sinner to your own religion because you already baptized and did communion and stuff liek that.

The world is very different from one person to another and each individual can make his/her decision because they were bron free as the great philosophers Locke, Montesqueiu, Rosseau, Smith and Jefferson stated. Even Einstein once said that everyone is capable of rationalized though and it doesn't matter which race, religion they come from.

[center]If I had to classify my beliefs, it'd be a mix of Buddhism, Anarchy, and Non-conformist. If any of those can truly be considered relegions, is up to you, to me they are. I don't buy into anything that the pope is saying. How is homosexuallity a sin? Then wouldn't alot of those Bishop dudes be going straight to hell for all those sex scandals, and stuff? How is artifical insemenation a sin? Doesn't God want you to have kids?
Most problems in this world have roots in either relegion, or money. If both were done away with, the world might not advance as quickly, but there sure would be less conflict. But in doing so, you'd have to ignore history. I do believe that there was a dude named Jesus who did some cool stuff. I don't believe that he did everything described in the Bible. The Bible sounds really exaggerated, and somewhat made up. I saw a commercial with a church dude in it, and he said "You shouldn't necessarily believe me just because I have a collar on..." How does that change anything?! Being associated with the church doesn't mean you can't be baugh off, or that you wont lie! Alot of people that I know who are like those super Christians, seem so ignorant. Alot of the times they see something that they can't explain, they conclude that it was an act of God. It gets really annoying really quick.[/center]

I had been baptised and done communion. That doesn't make me a christian. at. all.

What you don't realize is that the people that go to church are not automatically christian. I don't know how to pound that point into your head.

I was force to be a Catholic But i'm getting use to it... I only belive in god to look like a good person...

u evil BITCH! ... Jk... Okay, I'm catholic too. Life is unfair. It's harder for sum of us to get to heaven than others. Live with it. That's why there are other religions...

Ima a christinan, but i know that half the stories in the bible are total bull. For me, religion is about how you live, not how you die.

All those stories were written so that dumb peasents could get some grasp of understanding about the morals and values of the religion. I mean, how would you believe more, some poor guy who talks to people telling them what to do, or some guy that can part seas with his rod? See my point

What many people do (both the regligious and the athests, including many people on this site) is that they take everything literally, Jesus was probally in a coma or something and Lazurus was probally just knocked out cold. Get me?

If there is an afterlife, thats a bonus

Lol, I'm not baptized. I'm like what 13 years olds and I'm not baptized. I met a few comrades who aren't baptized doesn't care what religion is out there, and also, they don't even go to church like I do. I haven't done with my ing church, for god's sake, I haven't even been inside a ing church.

You have the free will to leave, don't you? If you don't leave, then you choose to stay, right? So as long as you're staying within your religion, it's your own free will.


Bible is wrong?
But... the Bible isn't wrong. Although, are you referring "their bible" to denomination-based additions? Lutherans take the Bible for what it is, without adding to it. We're told to (and actually the bible tells us to) read the bible for ourselves and make sure the pastor knows what he's talking about. If you read the bible yourself and you think the verse talking about Jesus's brothers and sisters was literal, go ahead... if you think it was like brothers and sisters as friends, sure. All that matters is the major doctrines in the bible...
I think Lutherans also are the only religion in the world where you don't have to do anything to save yourself. Although you will do good works and be good and etc, it isn't your salvation. Actions can not bring salvation. Buying paper does not bring salvation.


Yes, there's many things wrong with Catholism. Indulgences are a big one. Here's a nice question though: If God knows your thoughts (being omniscient), he already knows what you are going to pray before you pray it. So how is it that Mary needs to intercede for you? How is it that Mary is God like qualities without being God (omnipresent, omniscient...)? If she was holy and without sin, like the Catholics say, she would have never died. Although, she wouldn't have been born either, not in a natural way. If she wasn't born in some natural way, Jesus really didn't come from the decesendants of david, or really, any human at all. The problems keep on rollin with the whole Mary thing.
That goes for all the saints. We have some human sinner somehow gain god like qualities to be able to hear all prayers directed at them and somehow be able to anwser them. All I know is that if I was in heaven, I wouldn't bother myself to listen to humans so I could actually enjoy heaven.
And then there is the pope who can add whatever he wants into scriptures... because Jesus talks to him. I guess Jesus changes his mind somehow too as the pope scriptures overwrite each other.

I really don't see how my religion has the same kind of flaws.


Why bother at all then?


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I read somewhere that Mary was the immaculate conception, not jesus. The bible is full of mistatkes and inacuarate translations, but it seems that if anyone brings up these to the vatican they label them as a heritic and excommunitcate them.

The whole Vatican is corrupted also, appraently the Gospel of St Thomas was omited and declared heracy because it described how the church should not be rich in material possessions are they are, and therefore if they added this gospel. they would have to follow it.

And in the Godfather 3 (shrivers) it brings up issues of the Vatican Finansh office being more ruthless than many corperations, and its probally true.

So yeh, the church instsition is swrewed over, but the faith is pure. I have nothing against mulsims, jew etc bevause its basically the same God, i mean why the fucl are they fighting when they worship the same guy?

I had this crazy idea that god set up all these relgions because he knew that humanity would never follow one cause, giving people many choices will unite their belief in him, but meh, playin too much Deus Ex 2

We all don't worship the same God...
Christians and Jews do to an extent, the main difference is Jesus...
Muslims, Buddism, etc, have their own gods. I don't know how you get it in your heads that they are the same God.

Dues Ex 2 was a bit lacking in comparasion to the first one ;(.

Buddism has other gods yeh, Muslims have the same god, that big rock they worship was given the archangel gabriel, Jesus is mentioned many times in the Q'ran or whatever, its the same god, just differnt messenger it seems. Jews and Muslims are still waiting for their incaranate

Not sure about Hinduism...

My refenece to DE2 (spoilers, dont read if you want to play the game one day) was beacuse of the Illimanati creating the Order and the WTO because they knew that humanity couldnt submit to a single power, so they used 2.

Being baptized has nothing to do with whether you are a christian or not. It's just a way of saying to the public that you are christian. In order to take communion, you have to be baptized. That's how it works with my church.


You shouldn't force yourself to believe in God. Believing in God is a choice you freely made. If you're doing it reluctantly, it means you still chose not to believe in God yet you say you do so you can look good. Either accept it or don't; there's no inbetween.


What do you mean harder for sun of us to get to heaven than others?? All we really gotta do is believe in God, Jesus, and just be a good boy/girl by obeying all the laws/commandments mentioned in the bible.

But yes, it is harder for some people in the sense that they're already of another religion (buddhism, hindu, etc).


That IS what christianity is about. It only tells us about what happens AFTER we die, not HOW we die.


If you were nailed to the cross, would you have survived and just be put into a comma? Don't think so. And yes i believe there is an afterlife. Either heaven or Hell.

PS: Hey high, by any chance are you watching the Australian Open or been there live?


First you were saying your friends dont go to church like you do. Then you said you havent even been to a church? A little contradiction there


Yes people have the right to believe in whatever they believe in. When christians are trying to spread the word of God or try to convert people, they just give you the choice, not force you. But of course they'll try their best to persuade you and that's probably what's ticking all of you nonbelievers off.

Well, if you say it's impossible to explain to the people that are extreme about a religion, i guess we can say the same to you. Except we outnumber you really. Most people here in the UNited States and Other countries around the world are of some form of religion. Only those few that dont would always speak out. Even fewer of those that are part of the religious majority would defend.


All of chrisitanity (except for catholicism) only require simple requirements for salvation (just to believe in God and be a good boy).

Now if you look at all the other religions...

To be saved in Islam, you must do the 5 weird pillar things which including a trip to Messa, pray 5 times a day facing the rock, fast, etc. Also you must not eat pork as well i think.
To be saved in Hindu, you must reach the top of the ladder thing in the karma by being good in all of your lives and must not eat beef.
To be saved in Judaism, you must not eat pork and must believe in God and some other funky stuff which i can't remember right now
To be saved in Buddism, you must not eat meat and basically is the same stuff as Hindu.


On what proof can you justify that there are inaccurate translations or mistakes everywhere?


They fight over the land (aka israel) not religion.


Jews, christians, and muslim worship the same God. Difference is that Jews dont believe in Jesus or Muhammed, Christians only believe in Jesus but not muhammed, Muslims believe in all and the 5 pillar things.


Hinduism and Buddism are really the same thing. Except one of them believes in the reincarnation thing and the other doesnt. Buddism is really a belief asians (orientals) believe in where Hindu is something indians believe in

Easier said then done man



The promise of an afterlife is just a tool IHMO to make people follow the 10 commandments, however i do think that the promise *might* have some truth to it, but sadly, i will have to wait to find out


Stranger things have happened...,


Just the importtant matches on TV, dont really wana pay to go live



Well acually, it makes alot of sence. Take moses and the crossing of the Red sea, it was mistranslated to the "reed" sea which is in the Nile Delta, which makes sence, theres a whole explaination about why the waters parted, i posted it somewhere in this forum.

The old testiemnt was not written down and for hundreds of years it was prereved by word of mouth, the people that told the story problally chnaged alot of thing to make the stories sounds more shockign adn azmaing, as rumour and things change today.


Yeh they do,. but they do it in the name of God, they say that the others are inferior because they have differnt faiths, but wtf? its the same fricken god!

Anyway if you start with a religion you can stop it after. Me, i don't have religion, not because my parent wanted me to chose one after, they just don't have religion too. I think religion is a part of our family heritage, it's something the parents give to their child. Thats it, like the half of their DNA. But when the child is older he can decide who he really want to trust in, god, Allah ...

The probleme his when the religion affect the body, like the Circumcision for the jew or the cut of the clitoris in Africa (i lost the word) This is a probleme because you cant repair you body after...

So i do think everybody should start none and decide after...
I first think religion should not exist, it makes wars and it has no goal... it's my point of vew.


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parents are i-idiots ah aha ha ahhaha AHAHAHAHAH
let me explain why, a normal parent (not mines) like his children and they thought that they are good catholic parents, so they make they child catholic, they are really stupid, did the child wanted to go to this family ???? no ! well u can't force him to be catholic..... also if u think it's a good thing, but its not what the child think maybe..... and i really think that religion is idiot, because else, parents wouldn't have to bring their child to be religious, if the religion don't wanted it..... it's a bit, "ur catholic ur chilren too" like the children are a bit "parentsselves" lol ! that's totally false !!! they got maybe an opposite spirit !!