Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2006-09-01 at 22:51:30
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Changing the Tutorials Database into a Wiki is something extremely important to think about. It would certainly be far more useful in Wiki format.
You would be able to include much more information, which could in turn be browsed much faster and more efficiently.
Anyone would be able to update the information at any time, so the Wiki would likely fill up very quickly will all sorts of map making information, making it infintely more useful than the current, limited use Tutorials Database.
ᅟ-Desperado
You would be able to include much more information, which could in turn be browsed much faster and more efficiently.
Anyone would be able to update the information at any time, so the Wiki would likely fill up very quickly will all sorts of map making information, making it infintely more useful than the current, limited use Tutorials Database.
ᅟ-Desperado
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The tutorials are hardly ever (never?) updated.
There is a lot of information missing, and a lot of things are just plain wrong.
It needs to be much easier to add new stuff, remove misinformation, and fix errors.
The "Map Making Wiki" would be a wonderful solution.
ᅟ-Kenoli
There is a lot of information missing, and a lot of things are just plain wrong.
It needs to be much easier to add new stuff, remove misinformation, and fix errors.
The "Map Making Wiki" would be a wonderful solution.
ᅟ-Kenoli
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A wiki of mapmaking. Imagine, if it's ever "completed", how amazing would that be?
It'd be one of the best resources ever. Better than a massive heap of tutorials you have to shuffle through.
ᅟ-RexyRex
Good news, everyone, It'd be one of the best resources ever. Better than a massive heap of tutorials you have to shuffle through.
ᅟ-RexyRex
The map making wiki is finally a reality!
Visit MMWiki at clanunknown.net
If you're new to StarCraft map making, use it to learn. There are already many articles that you can use as a reference.
When you need to know something, the map making wiki will be the first place to look!
If you're a map making veteran, contribute your knowledge to it.
Anyone can edit existing articles or create new ones. With your help, this could become the greatest map making resource ever.
Don't know what a wiki is? Read this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-01 at 22:59:01
Wow. This might have potential. I'll look into it...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-09-01 at 23:03:55
Impressive! I like the looks of this. Once the modding contest is over I'll be sure to look in more detail--maybe even add a couple concepts I'm thinking about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-09-01 at 23:07:53
Yay, I remember saying this as an idea like about a year and a half ago. Finally it happens. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KABOOM on 2006-09-01 at 23:10:40
well i refuse to use anything else then KABOOM for a name and its so stupid that u need a "surname" like wtf. Can u try and take it out? or help me get a way around it
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-01 at 23:16:13
...on second thought, now I remember why I don't like wikis. Their layouts are a mess. You'll get a table of contents with everything and the kitchen sink in it, making it impractical to browse, and then when you go to look for a list of things you need you won't find it until after swimming through dozens of links first. Maybe I just don't get it, though.
It'd be better to allow wiki-like editing to the existing tutorials DB, maybe, instead of starting from scratch. With proper backups and moderation, of course.
It'd be better to allow wiki-like editing to the existing tutorials DB, maybe, instead of starting from scratch. With proper backups and moderation, of course.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2006-09-01 at 23:19:34
QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Sep 1 2006, 11:15 PM)
...on second thought, now I remember why I don't like wikis. Their layouts are a mess. You'll get a table of contents with everything and the kitchen sink in it, making it impractical to browse, and then when you go to look for a list of things you need you won't find it until after swimming through dozens of links first. Maybe I just don't get it, though.
It'd be better to allow wiki-like editing to the existing tutorials DB, maybe, instead of starting from scratch. With proper backups and moderation, of course.
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Search...It'd be better to allow wiki-like editing to the existing tutorials DB, maybe, instead of starting from scratch. With proper backups and moderation, of course.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-09-01 at 23:19:51
I haven't had the time to add any pages yet, I still have to look at the format for codes. Good job on all the things in it so far though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-01 at 23:22:55
QUOTE(LegacyWeapon @ Sep 1 2006, 10:19 PM)
Search...
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I know. I was refering to lists of stuff, which often need some digging in most wikis I've used. Where's the tutorials list link on the front page, for instance?
Anyway I'll get over my inborne pessimism and give it a chance for now, wiki or not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2006-09-01 at 23:24:52
QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Sep 1 2006, 11:22 PM)
Where's the tutorials link on the front page, for instance?
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2006-09-01 at 23:26:15
You can customize the links that appear on left side.
Just go into your settings and add ((Tutorials)) to the "Your QuickLinks" box.
Just go into your settings and add ((Tutorials)) to the "Your QuickLinks" box.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-01 at 23:26:23
Oh, nevermind. I was looking at the "Tutorial template". Didn't occur to me there was only those 2 tutorials.
Yeah, this is why I hate wikis.
Yeah, this is why I hate wikis.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-09-01 at 23:49:23
Takes a little getting used to.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-01 at 23:51:30
No, it takes me not posting ijiot replies the second before I figure it out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-09-01 at 23:53:46
Wikis are run by contribution. It would really help if we had many many users. If we have just 20 Active people in the tutorial section, we could finish the structure in just a single weekend before polishing it the next.
So, I encourage registration. Yay for ads.
So, I encourage registration. Yay for ads.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-02 at 00:05:23
You know what'd be awesome for v5 is a semantic system that takes key words in help threads/posts and links them to matching tutorial/wiki entries. Just a thought.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-09-02 at 00:15:23
Woot woot!
There should be a different section for tutorials and about people
So its like a wiki with tutorials and about the people of Battle.Net
There should be a different section for tutorials and about people
So its like a wiki with tutorials and about the people of Battle.Net
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moogle on 2006-09-02 at 00:57:26
I would have say good-job Legacy, a very handy thing for new map makers and old. I think should be a official link for it down bottom 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zeratul_101 on 2006-09-02 at 01:18:41
it looks kinda ... ugly. spaz it up alittle? ya, but definitely an affiliate though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2006-09-02 at 01:26:42
QUOTE(Zeratul_101 @ Sep 2 2006, 01:18 AM)
it looks kinda ... ugly. spaz it up alittle? ya, but definitely an affiliate though.
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(Save the page you want to show me and spaz it up via HTML)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-02 at 01:35:20
Could use a theme that mirrors SEN's a bit. Seems a bit foreign when coming from here to there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zeratul_101 on 2006-09-02 at 01:38:33
IRT Legacy
ya, like Tux, i was thinking something similiar to SEN, or at least a similiar layout/color scheme
ya, like Tux, i was thinking something similiar to SEN, or at least a similiar layout/color scheme
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2006-09-02 at 02:27:33
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2006-09-02 at 02:30:23
I've tried MediaWiki, DokuWiki, and Wiclear. This seems to be the only one that doesn't have massive errors I can't fix.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by in_a_biskit on 2006-09-02 at 08:36:49
I'm glad that we finally have something that can demonstrate the benefits (and problems) of a wiki-tutorial system. Thanks, LegacyWeapon! 
One of the first things that occurred to me was that it could easily become problematic when every user can create a page about themselves...
There needs a guide to creating tutorials and a rulebook for behaviour on the wiki.
But, hopefully this will turn out well as it develops and grows, especially as it's starting with some trustworthy and knowledgeable members.
One of the first things that occurred to me was that it could easily become problematic when every user can create a page about themselves...
There needs a guide to creating tutorials and a rulebook for behaviour on the wiki.
But, hopefully this will turn out well as it develops and grows, especially as it's starting with some trustworthy and knowledgeable members.