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(ignore the "moved" topic, I put this in Staff and decided to go to Feedback, but put it back in staff again)

Originally I thought I wouldn't have to say anything about Maplantis, but now I feel that I want to. Ultimately, the decisions you make are your own choice (also yours are the consequences inherited from any decisions), but I'm hoping you'll take my point of view into consideration.

I wish for SEN to in no way to be at "war" with Maplantis. A few staffers around here seem embittered and spiteful towards them. To put it simply, Maplantis will just keep doing what it is doing. There is no point in creating conflict, any such efforts are futile. They have made up their minds on certain issues (protection, administration), and it is most likely a waste of time to bother trying to change that.

While it is a waste of time trying to control them, there are people we have direct control over: ourselves. We can either waste our times flaming them, being spiteful, saying how they've "stolen" people and things from us, and other such accusations, but not much good is ever going to come of it. Our resources of time, manpower, and knowledge are best spent on ourselves, not them. To really drill this point in, they're going to keep doing what they're doing on their own terms. I suggest SEN does the same.

Only main difference I see between SEN and Maplantis' ideals is really the protection issue. Other than that, there really is no need to stir up any form of violence or hostility towards them.

Besides, many members already are now active members of both sites, so it would definately be senseless to start a war when most of the members from each site are active in both communities. Besides tau did mention that she did not want to start up any sitewars.


If anything, I suggest that we instead try working together. Despite the difference that they support unprotection and that we don't, we're still both focused on starcraft mapping. I'm sure both of us are willing to further improve our skills in map making, and the way to do that is to help each other. Now I don't necessarily mean the sites ourselves start helping each other, but just overall the members of both sites can be considered as almost one. It's kind of like the Republican and Democrat Parties; they really don't have that much of a difference between them (compared with other nations' parties) and are both willing to work with each other to help make this country a better place.

But it's going to take time if such a thing can happen. We shouldn't act as though maplantis is a forbidden word here on SEN. Sites like Gosugamers.net and Teamliquid are very similar and follow the same stuff; SEN and Maplantis.org should do just the same.

True, true.

But we ARE carnal opposites. Blue, and green.

You know, since we're so similar, why don't we ask Maplantis to become an affiliate?

I have, and was declined.

Ouch.

That doesn't even make sense. Maybe when people find out who Tau really is (s)he'll be more willing to co-operate in that sense.

Not likely, others in background pulling strings who somewhat dislike SEN. Legacy kinda has some odd issues with SEN.

I havent even heard of a war with maplantis vs sen, only people saying thoughts on map protection about it. Who knows what out come of maplantis may be, could be a phase or a stable community only time can tell what ripple effects will have. For now i guess we just leave it be.

I doubt it. And I believe Moose is already in the know.

Maplantis, maybe not as a whole, would like to see SEN die out.

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?act=Sear...sult_type=posts

LW (maplantis administration, just to be clear) goes around trying to turn posts into huge maplantis links? WTF is that? Nothing short of immature.

Tau seems very respectable, on the other hand.


But anyways, Moose is right. If you have a problem with maplantis, the time is best used on ourself, not some silly war. Used the energy to make the dldb better or something.
If you think there is some type of cooperation / collaberation to be achieved... you are just being, well, silly.

Frankly, I hate their DLDB. If you going to go in a different direction ever, don't go in that one. (Well, data extration is good, but the hierarchy sucks.)

Syphon, their DLDB navigation is way better, but it does lack some features. To be fair, nothing on that site is finished, its all work in progress.

Aye... I'm going to try to get that data extraction thing to work... I added countless fields for things such as players, map size, etc... It would be a hell of a lot easier to do it automatically.

I also liked how they placed the map image off to the right. It looks a whole lot better than placing it in the center by itself. I'll have to steal that (with one improvement). I need to stop visiting maplantis, I don't like to copy... but when you see something that clearly makes sense, it's unavoidable to use it ;o

Posting the map image and showing the minimap image on navigation is something SEN originally had so it wouldn't exactly be copying them. If anyone remembers way back when, Mike removed that crap because of bandwidth issues.

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=610307

OMFG. Does everyone mike did everything? I removed it... the code was crapty as all hell and double hit every image because it played with the image on demand (to find the image size and etc). I could have fixed it... but because we were exceeding the limits so drasticly, I needed instant results.

When mike was here, and I mean no disrespect, I had to help him with the most simpliest edits (like making the users online sorted by member group). All he basically did for sen was add on a bunch of tacky, crapty mods and edited them on the surface. And that's basically it. If things required advanced editing, forget it. File backup? Complete failure. Karma? Complete failure.
He got better, yeah... but on SEN, he couldn't code crap.
The reason we had arguements about senv5 was because... his code was crap.

Well, I just like tree based navigation. To each his own.

Maplantis is just another version of SEN. Cooperation with them doesn't make sense.

Tau IMO in comparison with Minimoose is a little bit lacking qualities as an admin. I posted a thread in the website forum suggesting on how to improve the map DLDB there. I wanted it so that when people browse the map listings, they can see the author's name. But she was like no, most people put the author's name in the map description and that it makes things much simpler. Then I refuted her reasonings, but she kept using the same arguments for her own stance and offered an even more complicated alternative. It's not that I disagree with her decisions or anything, it's just that she doesn't really explain her reasonings as well.


That's the kind of attitude I want neither us nor Maplantis to have.


Neither does having a cold or unfriendly attitude upon them.


I don't get why we are even making such a big deal about this. Who the freak cares if they support unprotection or not. Our websites don't focus entirely upon that issue. We focus on map making; not just map making, but we're both trying to expand into the melee world. Ok we don't necessarily have to have direct cooperation with them, these are the prime ideals that run behind both of our websites; why must we treat each other as if we're enemies. The way most of you describe "neutrality" isn't neutrality, but more like a stone-cold relationship: you guys fall more into the category of hating them rather than liking them. Even Tau herself doesn't want any sort of site war or rivalry going on between us two. But I can understand how she gets frustrated when people constantly PM her about how OSMAP is evil and bad.

It's always been okay IMO that SEN and Maplantis had different ideals on protection. I've also never thought a sitewar was smart or appropriate. SEN and Maplantis don't have to be friends, but we don't have to be enemies either. The people who believe strongly for or against protection are not going to change their minds, so I think its pointless to try convincing the opposites sides they're wrong. I just wish the two factions could agree to disagree without all the mudslinging.

I'm not making any pleas for or against direct cooperation or anything of the sort. I'm calling you not to waste time and effort harboring and fueling grudges.

So the just of it is...

I've grown tired with the bullcrap they pull. Kinda hard to keep neutrality when they keep crossing the line.